Mw. Kipenj
Your logic on Canada vs. Uganda is not correct. Its vise versa. Canada is united and developed because of its popular motto " Unity in diversity". They recognize the diversities based on ethnic origin, religion, nationalities ( or tribes like the Inuits), race, citizenship etc. A prime minister will never be voted out just because he spoke French or Inuitkut. The most critics of Prof. Lule hated him because after speaking to Ugandans in English at the swearing in ceremony, he spoke in Luganda. That became a "capital" offense to many Ganda haters. What if he spoke Luganda in your home area? I think he would not have come back to Kampala. UNLESS SUCH HATRATE BASED ON ETHINIC ORIGIN IS STOPPED AND UNLESS UGANDANS USE THE DIVERSITY TO FORGE UNITY, UGANDA WILL BE AS YOUVE DESCRIBED IT FOR EVER. One of the best vehicles of this unity in diversity is FEDERALISM WHERE REGIONAL GOVTS SHARE POWER WITH THE CENTRAL GOVT ( NOT CENTRAL GOVT DELIGATING POWER TO DISTRICTS).
Mw. Kipenji, I'm surprised that you who have travelled out of Uganda and resided in developed world cannot appreciate the unity in diversity! Then what will the ordinally Ganda and Achili in Uganda rural areas do? Kill each other just because they dont belong to "them". Remember the recent Acholis in Lira who were butchered because of the different ethnic origin. A french canadian will always identify him self as French Canadian or Quebecour. English Canadian will always Identify him\her self as English Canadian. A native will always identify himself as Inuit, etc. These identities are ven being asked in govt job applications, hospitals, census, etc. Please update your self.
J. Ssenya
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From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here\ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:29:28 +0100 (BST)
Mshemiwa Ssenyange,I want to applaud your logic if at all
that passes for one with the exception that you really did not
pay attention to those Officers and Men of the UNLA who died
in that Helicopter crash with the then Chief of Army Staff.
Do you remember a one Captain Godfrey Kato,a promising
then 28 year old Muganda who died in that crash just a month
after his colourful wedding?
If you do ,does it mean that you and your fellow Baganda did actually
celebrate the loss of this young and talented Muganda soldier,whose widow could be one of the listers on this forum?
Ssenyange and ilk,the world has two fundamental divide,i.e Black and
White.In Ottawa where you reside,I do not think any non balck person
will ask you whether you are a Muganda first rather than whether you
come from Africa,by the time they ask you which part of Africa you hail
the discussion of your being a Muganda would not arise for that will matter less to them.This explains why these non Blacks are planning
to go to the Mars and Jupiter while our blacks in Uganda are still bothering themselves with knowing olunyiriri,entuba and all that crap and busy celebrating other people's demise as if that by itself has precluded them from death.
With this type of flawed logic,it is no wonder that the Buganda Motto since about 1200 has been and is:"Gakyaaali mabaga".
Can we not stop and revist this motto that appears to lead us to a cul-de sac?.The logic is if whence you do something you get the same flawed results,you ought to change the methodology if you are to move forward and that is what I expect of all those intellectuals and elites from Mother
Uganda.
Thank you.
Kipenji.
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Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What is the population of Baganda? Just curious !
Secondly, some of us were in Uganda and in luwero at the time, but Museveni was the minister of defense, can Ssenyange tell us what happened in Uganda under Museveni's watch? It is one of those questions which will never be answered by our people who are enjoying the road map of peace, same as they say "Ffe kasita twebaka" yet they can not tell you who refused them to sleep all along, just a name who refused Ugandans to sleep?
Em
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message ----- From: Y Yaobang To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 8:11 PM Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok’s family secrets buried here\
Ssenyange:
You stated:
"... the Baganda who lost the 500,000 relatives under Oyite's command. ..."
This is a very serious statement and allegation. I would not be suprised if you ended up in court over this!!
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>From: "ssenya nyange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok’s family secrets buried here\ >Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:52:10 -0400 > > >Owor Kipenji, > > As I mentioned in my email posting that its not good to >celebrate someone's death but Oyite's case was different. Just as >many celebrated the death and fall of Hitler, especially those who >had lost their beloved ones, so didd the Baganda who lost the >500,000 relatives under Oyite's command. >Buy ending his life, God answered the haunting blood of the dead and >indeed Oyite died in the sky or on the soil of Luweero.How long did >the UPC killing continue after Oyite's death? Less that 2 years. He >was the rise and fall of UPC in the 80's. He was tainted with blood >of 1/2 million innocent citizens. If his death was seen as the road >map to stop the massacres in Buganda, why not celebrate the road map >victory, just because it saved another million if the UPC was to >continue ruling for another 5 years. > >Ssenyange > >--------------------------------------- > >>From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok’s family secrets buried here\ >>Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:04:44 +0100 (BST) >> >>What Mshemiwa Ssenyange is describing is typical of the tools >>many who have be outsmarted resort to i.e wait for the course of >>nature to rescue them from their own failings. >>Death is the only democratic process that exists in Life and hence >>Nobody including the Ssenyanges and their ilk of this world will >>somehow circumvent it. >>Rejoicing at anyones' death friend or foe epitomizes the level of >>ignorance that surrounds that person. >>Mr Ssenyange,one of these days if you have time,read that >>book"Jesus >>Christus unser Schiksaal(Jesus Christ our Destiny) by Wilheim Busch >>and therein you will come of age to understand why today,unlike >>then the Jews behave collectively in grieving the death of even the >>least of their members. >>Thank you. >>Kipenji. >>________________________________________________________________________________________________ >> >>gook makanga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>Ssenyange, >> >>The celebrations were in Nairobi? Dont you find that strange? Why >>in Nairobi when the Mood in Kla was of saddness? I was in Kla then >>and i could also show you a pic. of a crowd of Ugandans in >>mourning. >> >> >> >> >> >>Gook >> >>"Rang guthe agithi marapu!" A karamonjong word of wisdom >> >> >> >> >>----Original Message Follows---- >>From: "ssenya nyange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok’s family secrets buried here\ >>Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:31:15 -0400 >> >> >>The auther doesnt know how majority people celebrated, boosed and >>danced upon the news of Oyite's death. At that time I was in >>Nairobi and I wish I could show you some of the pictures of >>celebrants in a big public place. Its not good to celebrating >>someones death but Oyite's case was very different. It was like the >>Jews celebrating the death of Hitler. The celebration paid off 2 >>years later. >> >>J. Ssenyange >>--------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >From: "gook makanga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >Subject: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok’s family secrets buried here >> >Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 18:27: 53 +0000 >> > >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. >>Get 2months FREE* >>http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines >><< message3.txt >> >> >> >> >>--------------------------------- >>The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* >>-------------------------------------------- This service is hosted >>on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug >> >>--------------------------------- >> Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends >>today! Download Messenger Now > >_________________________________________________________________ >Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium >http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > > > >-------------------------------------------- >This service is hosted on the Infocom network >http://www.infocom.co.ug
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