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From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's family secrets buried here\ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 07:15:11 -0400
Marry Nagaddya
If you lost your people in Uganda and you know who either killed them or who
directed their murders, why not use that information to take them to the
court of law? How can a sensible woman like you, have this information and
keep quite with it for this long? Yet on the other side people like our
selves from Luwero district are asking for a public inquirely for we feel it
is the only right way for us to know who murdered our people, and you do not
support that either.
It is very hurting for you personally have decided to cover the people who murdered the Luwerorians for you want to use them to beat up a dead man who can never defend him self.
That is as wrong as NRM which has up to today refused to repay the population of Luwero, which lost all they hard during that war. These are Baganda who bought the crap that they will be repaid after the war. Please note that up until today not even a single cow has been paid by your government. Your government does not even want us to know who killed our people. Let me as well add, that if Oyite Ojok killed the people in Luwero district, and yes I am talking about the 500,000 Baganda you guys are claiming to have died in Luwero. What is so wrong in opening up these inquiries and we state so and publicly in Luwero. Among the people who were in Luwero at the time and know full well who not only murdered their people but know how many died? Let us go into Luwero District and open up this inquirely, than attacking Oyite Ojok a dead man who can never defend him self. And a man whose death turned Uganda's politics into a nightmare.
I am very disappointed for we are tuning this debate into a childish and very silly exchange.
Em Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Nagadya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 9:55 PM Subject: Re: Mulindwa Re: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's family secrets buried here\
> > On Obote's concentration camps: what comparisons do > they bear to camps in Northern Uganda? > > Those of us whose relatives were butchered at > Oyite-Ojok's and/or Obote's orders can hardly be > expected to feel even the slightest empathy or sorrow > for either of these murderers. > > I do not eaxctly remember any Acholi or Langi > sorrowfully mourning the passing of their former > partner in murder, Idi Amin. Why is that? > > So what is this silly debate really about if not mere > hollier-than-thou posturing? > > --- The Fugee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mulindwa, > > > > The population of Luwero was about 600,000 when > > Museveni launched his war. The population growth > > rate of Luwero was only beaten by that of Tororo > > between 1969 and 1980 and this can be explained in > > the multi-ethnic complexion of both places. The fact > > that Luwero had many settlers from various parts of > > the country though most from other parts of Buganda > > explains how and why many who fled the violence > > unleashed by Museveni in Luwero were able to quickly > > settle elsewhere as many had ancestral roots in > > Buganda and in other parts of Uganda. I would not be > > surprised if many of these who scream in the name of > > Luwero have no connection with Luwero but are using > > the sufferings brought about by Museveni and co. > > choosing Luwero as the platform to forward his > > personal ambitions. > > > > I have read on these forums of the camps which were > > set up the International Committee of the Red Cross > > (ICRC) described as concentration camps created by > > the elected government and those who sought shelter > > from Museveni's marauding army in 1981 and early > > 1982 as people deliberately uprooted by the UNLA > > when the UNLA did not have any units in rural Luwero > > until May 1982. But to these Ugandans this makes > > perfect sense. Others can even claim that citizens > > in rural Luwero were rebelling because the elections > > were rigged and yet the four constituencies in > > Luwero all returned DP candidates; were these MPs > > imposed on them so that this is why the people in > > Luwero rebelled? Since it is assumed that the people > > in Luwero were the ones leading the rebellion it is > > surprising that those from Luwero did not and do not > > dominate the leadership postions in Museveni's > > private army. > > > > The Fugee > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Edward Mulindwa > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:38 AM > > Subject: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's family secrets > > buried here\ > > > > > > What is the population of Baganda? Just curious ! > > > > Secondly, some of us were in Uganda and in luwero > > at the time, but Museveni was the minister of > > defense, can Ssenyange tell us what happened in > > Uganda under Museveni's watch? It is one of those > > questions which will never be answered by our people > > who are enjoying the road map of peace, same as they > > say "Ffe kasita twebaka" yet they can not tell you > > who refused them to sleep all along, just a name who > > refused Ugandans to sleep? > > > > Em > > > > Toronto > > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group > > "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas > > "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans > > l'anarchie" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Y Yaobang > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 8:11 PM > > Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's family secrets > > buried here\ > > > > > > Ssenyange: > > > > You stated: > > > > "... the Baganda who lost the 500,000 relatives > > under Oyite's command. ..." > > > > This is a very serious statement and allegation. > > I would not be suprised if you ended up in court > > over this!! > > > > y > > > > >From: "ssenya nyange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's family > > secrets buried here\ > > >Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:52:10 -0400 > > > > > > > > >Owor Kipenji, > > > > > > As I mentioned in my email posting that > > its not good to > > >celebrate someone's death but Oyite's case was > > different. Just as > > >many celebrated the death and fall of Hitler, > > especially those who > > >had lost their beloved ones, so didd the > > Baganda who lost the > > >500,000 relatives under Oyite's command. > > >Buy ending his life, God answered the haunting > > blood of the dead and > > >indeed Oyite died in the sky or on the soil of > > Luweero.How long did > > >the UPC killing continue after Oyite's death? > > Less that 2 years. He > > >was the rise and fall of UPC in the 80's. He > > was tainted with blood > > >of 1/2 million innocent citizens. If his death > > was seen as the road > > >map to stop the massacres in Buganda, why not > > celebrate the road map > > >victory, just because it saved another million > > if the UPC was to > > >continue ruling for another 5 years. > > > > > >Ssenyange > > > > > >--------------------------------------- > > > > > >>From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's family > > secrets buried here\ > > >>Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:04:44 +0100 (BST) > > >> > > >>What Mshemiwa Ssenyange is describing is > > typical of the tools > > >>many who have be outsmarted resort to i.e wait > > for the course of > > >>nature to rescue them from their own failings. > > > > >>Death is the only democratic process that > > exists in Life and hence > > >>Nobody including the Ssenyanges and their ilk > > of this world will > > >>somehow circumvent it. > > >>Rejoicing at anyones' death friend or foe > > epitomizes the level of > > >>ignorance that surrounds that person. > > >>Mr Ssenyange,one of these days if you have > > time,read that > > >>book"Jesus > > >>Christus unser Schiksaal(Jesus Christ our > > Destiny) by Wilheim Busch > > >>and therein you will come of age to understand > > why today,unlike > > >>then the Jews behave collectively in grieving > > the death of even the > > >>least of their members. > > >>Thank you. > > >>Kipenji. > > > > > >>__________________________________________________________________________ ______________________ > > > > >> > > >>gook makanga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > >>Ssenyange, > > >> > > >>The celebrations were in Nairobi? Dont you > > find that strange? Why > > >>in Nairobi when the Mood in Kla was of > > saddness? I was in Kla then > > >>and i could also show you a pic. of a crowd of > > Ugandans in > > >>mourning. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>Gook > > >> > > >>"Rang guthe agithi marapu!" A karamonjong word > > of wisdom > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>----Original Message Follows---- > > >>From: "ssenya nyange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's family > > secrets buried here\ > > >>Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:31:15 -0400 > > >> > > >> > > >>The auther doesnt know how majority people > > celebrated, > === message truncated === > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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