Ssenyange
On that report it is obvious you were not at city square, and since you have
decided to lie I refuse to be involved in such. Just remember that meeting
was attended by thousands of Ugandans and not only you. But if you can twist
facts to that low, Ssenyange you are frightening me. But why should I not
expect you to twist facts on city square, when you saw 500 000 Baganda
murdered in Luwero by Oyite Ojok?
Em
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: "ssenya nyange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here\Kipenji
>
> Mulindwa,
>
> I have prooved the population of Luweero triangle in another email
> today.Read it and cure your ignorance ( its a disease). Luweero Triangle
IS
> NOT EQUAL TO Luweero district.
>
> - Mulindwa, you asked:
> -----------------------------
> If you state that
> >Canada is united due to federalism, can you kindly explain why Natives
are
> >in Canada, a developed nation, yet live worse than a Ugandan in Uganda
> --------------------------------------------
>
> Mulindwa, thats a lie, 100% lie. The natives of Canada are not prosperous
as
> the English& French Canadian etc because they dont want to work. Whereas
> Mulindwa is entitled to a monthly social allowance of $520 p.m, the native
> get a minimum of $1,800. Natives dont see the purpose of working for a
> salary of 1,000 p.m when he can sit home and watch TV, boose and gamble.
The
> danger is that they are too much previledged to work and thats why they
end
> up in a mess. So, dont compare the Toronto "street" natives to Ugandans in
> Uganda. In Canada, no one will die of cold and hunger. Every city and town
> has a place to sleep and eat dinner and breakfast plus sleep.
>
> I also was in Buganda until I run away in 1983.I remember early
> 1982 when I went to Mubende town to bury a relative. We were in a truck
with
> the cusket ( to save us). From Mityana town to Mubende town, I did not
> notice any civilian home being occupied by live people. All homes were
> abandoned and others were being inhabited by UPC army. The empty ones were
> ripped off the mabaati, doors and window flames ( emyango). Road blocks
were
> 3 miles apart. You think I could not differentiate the nkwanga and Kayiira
> groups?
>
> Evidence about Oyite Ojok. Kasangwawo has already elaborated on
> this. There were only 2 people who could stop the massacre in Uganda
between
> 1980 and 1986- Obote and Oyite Ojok. Thats why they are both accountable
for
> the mass killings in Luweero triangle. Oyite had power to tell Obote and
the
> UPC army to stop the killing. Obote had the power as commander in chief to
> stop anybody from killing innocent citizen in Luweero. What did they do?
> they saw it as an oportunity to REDRESS THE SENTIMENTS AGAINS BAGANDA.
>
> I had seen Oyite Ojok in 1979 three times before Lule was
deposed.
> I attended the massive rally at Kampala city square when Lule was deposed.
I
> personnaly saw Oyite Ojok in a landrover coming towards the platform which
> was being used by prominent people\speekers. I saw bullets coming out of
> Ojok's car shooting the people at the platform. We run and took cover. I
> ended up at Mini price, waiting to see whats next. I saw the gentlemen who
> were shot at being lifted by relatives and friends, taken to Nakivubo road
> where they got transport to hospital. In particular, I identified the
father
> of my former classmate- the late Paulo Kavuma, a former katikkiro of
> Buganda.His legs were reduced to tendons with bullets. Is that your hero,
> Oyite Ojok? Now I know whom you call your Hero and why.
> So, if UPC do not want reconciliation- apology- you should shut up
> otherwise we shalll never forget and forgive.
>
> J. Ssenyange
>
> --------------
>
> >From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here\Kipenji
> >Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:29:20 -0400
> >
> >Mwaami Ssenyange
> >
> >This is usually the time I fall out of such non productive debate on
Uganda
> >issues, but you see I have a problem with your sweeping statements for
you
> >know what? In the end they will be accepted that we all believe in them.
> >You
> >stated that 500,000 Baganda were murdered in Luwero District, during
Obote
> >two, well we now know that the population of Luwero was 600,000 people,
and
> >mark these words, population not Baganda. I am not going to sit here and
> >fight with numbers for they are public only if you took the time to check
> >the public records. Ssenyange you are an intelligent man and you full
well
> >know the power of information you make public in these forums.
> >Can you kindly clarify to us that the population of Luwero was decimated
to
> >a mere 100 000? And Ssenyange I am not going to be here and fight the
> >semantics of who killed, but all I want to know is very simple, were 500
> >000
> >Baganda murdered during Obote two or it was a number you picked up from
the
> >space to destroy Obote and UPC government?
> >Secondly. I have seen a great support from you to the fact that UNLA
> >murdered Baganda during that time. And I am not here to deny it but I
need
> >to make one observation. That we as people who were physically in Buganda
> >at
> >the time, saw groups of militias popping up, for example the most
murderous
> >group was by a force made of Baganda and led by a Muganda Nkwanga, the
> >group
> >was called FEDEMU, these are people who were murdering people left and
> >center in Mukono District, for I was in Kayunga at a time. another group
> >was
> >UFM led by Kayiira, and I am just wondering whether you knew any of this?
> >Or
> >it does not matter when we are killed by our fellow Baganda?
> >Third. Ssenyange it is very erroneous for you to use Canada as a good
> >example of how federalism works. For a very long time I have stated here
> >and
> >in Uganda Press that what we need in Uganda is good leadership and a
> >population which is not ignorant. And my question is this. If you state
> >that
> >Canada is united due to federalism, can you kindly explain why Natives
are
> >in Canada, a developed nation, yet live worse than a Ugandan in Uganda?
For
> >truly if leadership is not an issue in Uganda, and if federalism can sort
> >out our problem/s then one must wonder why Federalism has failed to help
> >the
> >natives !! You brought in the Canadian issue well may be we also know a
> >little about it?
> >
> >Mwaami Ssenyange it is imperative that you put sense into this
discussion,
> >and if you make a mistake a I am sorry can be as fundamental as what you
> >post in a year. And all I am saying is very simple, that Canada is as is
> >for
> >Canadians refused to be driven by childish silly politics, Canadians
still
> >believe that all people have a right to life, on that we still believe
that
> >if a Canadian falters he must be charged in a court of law. How can you
> >refer to Canadian system when you praised a death of a Uganda by the name
> >of
> >Oyite Ojok? Even my self a man who opposes Museveni even in my sleep, I
can
> >not ask for his death, I want him arrested and tried. And that is what we
> >do
> >as Canadians. How can you quote the Canadian system when you pull numbers
> >out of the air? 500 000 were murdered.
> >
> >Mwaami Ssenyange some of us decided to renounce our nationality for we
saw
> >no light in the pipe. For we saw Uganda population preferring to live
under
> >ignorance, a population you can post to that the majority of Ugandans
were
> >happy at the death of Oyite, and you have no reason to back up your
> >statement. A population you can lie too that 500 000 were murdered by UPC
2
> >government, and you are not required to prove so. Muteesa was poisoned by
a
> >girl sent by Obote, yes we all know the man was a drunkard and died of
> >Scotch. Kasangwawo today has posted a comment about the death of Oyite
and
> >he used a mere statement which he could not back up. Our population if
you
> >look carefully, postings with verifiable numbers are not answered to. For
> >you have refused to answer to Fugee's posting about the population in
> >Luwero
> >for you know that it was true and you lied.
> >
> >So my appeal to you is very simple, do not use Canada system to confuse
our
> >people. For when my mother hears that federalism is great in Canada, she
> >goes ballistic, but you have told her half of the story.
> >
> >Em
> >And yes in Toronto
> > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "ssenya nyange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 8:14 PM
> >Subject: ugnet_: Re_: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here\Kipenji
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Mw. Kipenj
> > >
> > > Your logic on Canada vs. Uganda is not correct. Its vise
> >versa.
> > > Canada is united and developed because of its popular motto " Unity in
> > > diversity". They recognize the diversities based on ethnic origin,
> >religion,
> > > nationalities ( or tribes like the Inuits), race, citizenship etc. A
> >prime
> > > minister will never be voted out just because he spoke French or
> >Inuitkut.
> > > The most critics of Prof. Lule hated him because after speaking to
> >Ugandans
> > > in English at the swearing in ceremony, he spoke in Luganda. That
became
> >a
> > > "capital" offense to many Ganda haters. What if he spoke Luganda in
your
> > > home area? I think he would not have come back to Kampala. UNLESS SUCH
> > > HATRATE BASED ON ETHINIC ORIGIN IS STOPPED AND UNLESS UGANDANS USE THE
> > > DIVERSITY TO FORGE UNITY, UGANDA WILL BE AS YOUVE DESCRIBED IT FOR
EVER.
> >One
> > > of the best vehicles of this unity in diversity is FEDERALISM WHERE
> >REGIONAL
> > > GOVTS SHARE POWER WITH THE CENTRAL GOVT ( NOT CENTRAL GOVT DELIGATING
> >POWER
> > > TO DISTRICTS).
> > >
> > > Mw. Kipenji, I'm surprised that you who have travelled out of Uganda
and
> > > resided in developed world cannot appreciate the unity in diversity!
> >Then
> > > what will the ordinally Ganda and Achili in Uganda rural areas do?
Kill
> >each
> > > other just because they dont belong to "them". Remember the recent
> >Acholis
> > > in Lira who were butchered because of the different ethnic origin. A
> >french
> > > canadian will always identify him self as French Canadian or
Quebecour.
> > > English Canadian will always Identify him\her self as English
Canadian.
> >A
> > > native will always identify himself as Inuit, etc. These identities
are
> >ven
> > > being asked in govt job applications, hospitals, census, etc. Please
> >update
> > > your self.
> > >
> > > J. Ssenya
> > >
>
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