Matek,
here's one opinion from a FedsNetter.
Kasangwawo
From: James Basudde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [FedsNet] Re: [Ugnet] ] Re: News: Critique of Obote's story Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 06:58:42 -0700 (PDT)
Mr. Kasangwawo,
I think the resistance from people such as Matek is due to their belief that, if we had Obote yet again, or people like him, Matek and co. would face less competition [if at all] from the other parts of Uganda. .
He knows very well what Obote did to us--it's only the unborn who don't. But as long as Obote's massacres reduced our numbers, disrupted our ways, thus reducing the feared competition in the process, then all was well. It's all about fear turned into hatred, then denial, to soothe the conscience.
JB jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Matek,
what you have failed to understand is the role of History. We need to acknowledge our History and learn from it, not just to revise it. Now you are calling it MY History, which tells me that you don't accept the factual evidence Musamize is providing. You don't even realise that what is happening today in Uganda has a bearing on what Obote started all those years ago. In actual fact, what you want is just a change of guards, the potential result of which could be a replacement of the "two million of our fellow citizens" in Northern camps by "two million" of our people in Southern camps; and the continuation of the "Emergency".
You are fond of stressing that the people in the South are saying they can now sleep, but you forget that during Obote's times, it was the people of Lango and Acholi who were saying: "ffe kasita twebaka otulo".
Federalists like myself are saying that enough is enough, what we need is a structural change. We have been under a unitary system for almost 40 years and at no particular point during that time has there been peace in the whole country. It is time for a re-think. I'm pleased MPs from outside Buganda are finally beginning to see the light.
Kasangwawo.
>From: Matek Opoko
>Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net
>To: ugandanet@kym.net
>Subject: Re: [Ugnet] ] Re: News: Critique of Obote's story...CORRECTION
>Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 06:01:40 -0700 (PDT)
>
>In Western and Southern Uganda, our people are subject to immense degree
>of poverty, the level of which has never been seen in Uganda. Even under
>Amin the people did not experience this degree of suffering.
>
>
>
>Matek Opoko wrote:Jonah:
>
>I am not against you learning your History about Obote., As a matter of
>fact you can learn all your one sided history about Obote until the cows
>come home.
>
>We have an Emergency right now in Uganda. Close to two million of our
>fellow citizens are living in squalid condition in the camps of Northern
>and Eastern Uganda. War have been ragging in Northern Uganda for now 20
>years.
>
>In Western and Southern Uganda, our people are not subject to immense
>degree of poverty, the level of which has never been seen in Uganda. Even
>under Amin the people did not experience this degree of suffering.
>
>All this is going on thanx to Yoweri Museveni's twenty year rule which
>he wants to extend to 30 or is it 40 years.
>
>Under the circumstances, many Ugandans really do not have time to think
>about Obote this Obote that ...ooohhhh Obote Yoooo!!
>
>Good Day lady!!
>
>
>jonah kasangwawo wrote:
>Matek,
>
>c'mon man, be real ! Is/was Obote ever for presidential term limits ?
>Wasn't
>he himself trying to do the same thing that the incumbent is trying now ?
>If
>he had had his way, Obote would be ruling for life. What you call bull crap
>is the history we need to learn from but which you are intent on
>suppressing. You UPC people really do tickle me.
>
>Kasangwawo
>
> >From: Matek Opoko
> >Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net
> >To: ugandanet@kym.net
> >Subject: Re: [Ugnet] RE: [FedsNet] Re: News: Critique of Obote's story
> >Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 16:41:26 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Musamize:
> >
> >Museveni is busy trying to manipulate the Uganda Constitution so that he
> >may rule for life!!! and instead of dealing with this fact, you are still
> >dwelling on Obote and what Obote did or did not do some 35 years ago. You
> >bull crap fixation with Obote is rather repugnant to say the least!
> >
> >Matek
> >
> >musamize wrote:
> >
> >Mr. Kibuka,
> >
> >
> >
> >Akena Adoko's article is on the web at:
> >www.kituochakatiba.co.ug/archives.htm.
> >
> >
> >
> >This is the article that was quashed by Mr. Davies Sebukima (a.k.a. Steve
> >Lino) -- an act rewarded by detention and accusations of sedition. The
> >Steve Lino letter can be found at
> >
> >
> >
> >www.mail-archive.com/ugandanet@kym.net/msg00297.html.
> >
> >
> >
> >Mr. Abu Mayanja also reacted to the excesses of the 1967Constitution. Mr.
> >Mayanja, too, was rewarded with detention and similar charges. The Chief
> >Magistrate, Mr. Siaed, threw the charges, which were also pressed against
> >Mr. Rajat Neogy as the editor of the Transition magazine, out of court.
>The
> >judgmen t was published in Transition.
> >
> >
> >
> >Less well known is the fact that the 1967 “pigeon-hole” constitution was
> >Nkurumah's brainchild. Mr. Nkurumah "lent" Obote a “Senior Parliamentary
> >Legal Draftsman”, one C.V. Crabbe, who crafted that document. In those
>days
> >Uganda was in essence a colony of Ghana. The details are in “KWAME
> >NKRUMAH’S PRESENCE IN A. M. OBOTE’S UGANDA: A Study in the Convergence of
> >International and Comparative Politics” by Opuku Agyeman, Transition 48
> >(1975). I’ll put this bwino on Fedsnet in a separate post.
> >
> >
> >
> >What befuddles me is why these articles are not at the web site of Kituo
> >cha Katiba, which is part of the Makerere University’s Faculty of Law,
>and
> >advertises itself as “East African Centre for Constitutional
>Development”.
> >I’d hate to think that an institution of higher learning is in the habit
>of
> >presenting one-sided argument s to its students, and the world, laying
> >itself open to charges of attempting to airbrush history.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"M. Kibuka" wrote:
> >Sseruganda Kasangwawo,
> >
> >Thanks a million times; this to me exerts what I said somewhere else that
> >there is a thin line that separates this constitution and that of 1995. I
> >hope that a learned friend will endeavour to illustrate this thin line.
> >
> >Nonetheless, Akena Adoko responded to the Haji thus, in transition 33:
> >
> >"The Uganda Revolution which took place early last year made it clear
>that
> >if Uganda was to remain a democracy then it was absolutely necessary to
> >reorganize that democracy in such a way that the characteristic benefits
> >which generally emanate from democratic governments were not interfered
> >with, and in such a way that certain evils such as hereditary monarchy,
> >excessive crime, separatist tende ncies, and weakness of the Central
> >Government were eradicated, or, as far as possible, neutralized."
> >
> >And here come some more:
> >
> >"The critics of the presidential powers tend to overlook two things.
>First,
> >that there is also danger in failing to concentrate sufficient powers to
> >carry out governmental functions in the hands of the executive. I would
> >personally hate to see, once more, the progress of the country hampered
>by
> >struggles for power as nearly happened last year. If advanced countries
> >like
> >the U.S.A. and Britain have to take precautions against this kind of
> >situation why not countries like Uganda and other African states whose
> >governments, because of the backwardness of the countries, have more
> >extensive functions?
> >
> >"Secondly the critics tend to overlook the fact that the powers vested in
> >the President are those which enable him to control the business of
> >government, and not necessarily to execute it himself. So overwhelming is
> >government business that no single person can do it himself or even
>consent
> >to try do so. This is why we have a ca binet and ministers in charge of
> >various ministries, the Public Service Commission, Uganda Electricity
> >Board,
> >and Uganda Development Corporation etc., to help carry out certain
> >governmental functions. In spite of this fact, that the executive powers
> >are
> >delegated and distributed, the vesting of such powers in the hands of one
> >man ensures that somebody, and not an anonymous mass, must be held
> >responsible by and directly accountable to the people of the country for
> >the
> >way the government powers are used."
> >
> >I'm currently looking for means to publish this stuff for the wider
>public,
> >so one see for him/her self how confused certain minds are.
> >
> >Have a good day.
> >
> >Cheers, M. Kibuka
> >==========================================
> >Federalism is the only way forward
> >http://www.federo.com
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>Of
> >jon ah kasangwawo
> >Sent: 14 May 2005 20:21
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Cc: ugandanet@kym.net
> >Subject: RE: [FedsNet] Re: News: Critique of Obote's story
> >
> >
> >Mw. Kibuka,
> >
> >what can I say ? The Hajji dissected the issue with such surgical
>precision
> >that its hard to add on any comments.
> >
> >I can only stress that with these proposals, the seeds of dictatorship in
> >Ugandan politics were sown. Obote gave himself control over everything -
> >the
> >
> >executive, the legislature, the judicature, the administration, the armed
> >forces, the police, et cetera, et cetera. Here's again the list of some
>of
> >the powers he took upon himself:
> >
> >- power to nominate up to one third of the National Assembly !
> >- power to dissolve Parliament at any time and without giving any reason
> >- power to promulgate ordinances
> >- power to detain people without trial
> >- power to declare states of emergency without approval of the National
> >Assembly, and during wh ich he could also make regulations overriding
>laws
> >made by Parliament
> >- power to appoint and dismiss all public officers
> >- power to interfere with the work of the police, including giving orders
> >to
> >
> >the Inspector General of Police
> >- power to command the armed forces and give them operational directives
> >- provisions to make it impossible to vote him out of office
> >- he took it upon himself to destroy hundreds of years of History by
> >abolishing kingdoms without asking the people in those kingdoms whether
> >they
> >
> >wanted to get rid of their institutions or not
> >- he disempowered the Court of Appeal
> >- he destroyed the federal system by instituting a one-size-fits-all
>system
> >of local government with no legislative or executive powers, in other
> >words,
> >
> >a coerced unity with no consideration for the diverse particularities of
> >the
> >
> >component regions.
> >
> >When Obote talks about 'one parliament' he means a parliament without a
> >single opposition MP.
> >With all this background in public domain, some people still ask what was
> >undemocratic about the 1967 constitution !
> >
> >With time, I shall provide more bwiino about the atmosphere during
>Obote's
> >regime.
> >
> >Kasangwawo.
> >__________________________________________________
>_________________________________________________________________
>
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