Owor Kipenji, Which part of my comments were imbecile? If the part about the UPC human rights record is what call imbecile, you may wish to compare the safe houses today to Argentina house and Liverpool which, being the passionate UPC fellow you seem to be, I'm sure you knew of their existence and even the location. The suffering of the people in the north is very similar to the suffering of the people in Luwero during Obote's regime. Just as you are condemning the suffering in the north today, you should have condemned the sufferings in Luwero then. I have searched the records for any condemnations you made about the suffering in Luwero then, but I'm yet to get any. The suffering of the people in the North like I said before, should be a national concern. And may be the first step to ending the suffering is accepting the existence of Kony. Do you sincerely believe that the Aboke girls who among other people were abducted and held captives in Sudan were taken by an imaginary Kony. They have given testimonies to the effect that were they were, there was somebody called Kony.
As for the cardinal, other church leaders and others from central and southern regions shedding crocodile tears, you are entitled to your opinion. It may not be right but it is your opinion. Incidentally, I do not come from any of those regions but even were I come from, people were picked by Obote's soldiers and have never been seen again. Remember the words > of the late Emmanuel Cardinal Nsubuga and Miseari Kauwumaon the > pulpits of Central Uganda?.At last they are now sleeping soundly! . If this was supposed to be a threat of any nature, take it that it has not worked on me. Nice weekend. Quoting Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Fella whoever masquarade you are,stop stooping too low with > such imbecile comments. > There is no such a thing as to who has the moral authority or not > to comment on the suffering of the people in Acholi and the greater > Northern Ugandan.If I may use your own words,the only people who > suffer the chronic deficiency to shed crocodile tears for the > sufferings > there are those from Central and Southern Uganda.Remember the words > of the late Emmanuel Cardinal Nsubuga and Miseari Kauwumaon the > pulpits > of Central Uganda?.At last they are now sleeping soundly!.The massive > support > to date that Mu7 still has in Central Uganda is further testimony to the > glee that > people of your type have about the suffering in Acholi et > Northern/Eastern Uganda. > So whoever you are,enjoy your peace as it lasts and desist from > pontificating about > what UPC can and cannot do. > Stick with your recycled and stale statements:"Kasita Ffe Twebaka > Otulo!". > Remember the midnight thief is not sparing to have his harvest in the > thousands. > Kipenji > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The suffering of the people in the north has been and remains a National > > problem. Protection of the citizens of Uganda and their property is one > of the > cardinal objectives for the existence of any government in Uganda. The > > suffering of the people in the north is therefore not just an Acholi > problem > than should be left to the Acholis to capture Kony and hand him over to > > government. > > However UPC as a party and its individual members, does/do not have any > moral > authority to condemn the human rights abuses by both the government and > by Kony > because their records were not any better that what we are experiencing > today. > > Quoting Edward Mulindwa : > > > Bwambuga > > > > On all we have seen in this war, is there some one called Konny > fighting > > > > Uganda government? > > Please educate me. > > > > Em > > Toronto > > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group > > "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas > > "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:59 AM > > Subject: [Ugnet] Re: Ugandanet Digest, Vol 12, Issue 14 > > > > > > > Bull-Mavi.....belongs to Mr. Kony and the EMPIRE OF CHOOLIS who > dont > > get > > > it.., killings and cutting lips is done by Kony and Achooli > helpers > > but > > > not ..M7. So its very simple...give-up KONY..THE WAR IS DONE. > > CWA.JB > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Date: Friday, July 1, 2005 1:09 pm > > > Subject: Ugandanet Digest, Vol 12, Issue 14 > > > > > >> Send Ugandanet mailing list submissions to > > >> ugandanet@kym.net > > >> > > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > >> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet > > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > > >> than "Re: Contents of Ugandanet digest..." > > >> > > >> > > >> Today's Topics: > > >> > > >> 1. RE: Tracing the roots of the Acholi people?s suffering..by > > >> Yoweri Museveni..brief comment by Matek (Okuto del Coli) > > >> 2. AND UGANDANS CONTINUE TO PRAY (Edward Mulindwa) > > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> --- > > >> > > >> Message: 1 > > >> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 06:17:45 -0400 (EDT) > > >> From: "Okuto del Coli" > > >> Subject: RE: [Ugnet] Tracing the roots of the Acholi people?s > > >> suffering..by Yoweri Museveni..brief comment by Matek > > >> To: ugandanet@kym.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > >> > > >> > > >> The way I understand it, there are some specifically targeted > > >> projectiles. Although the President uses "Acoli", the piece > > >> appears intended for all Ugandan tribes and indeed, fits all > > >> Ugandan tribes. If you slice off the "ACHOLI" and replace it with > > >> any other Ugandan tribes of your own( including Baganda) you will > > >> see that the puzzle matches. Even the Kayiira tragedy falls in > > >> there. I beg to resume in a couple of days with > > >> illustrations.RGDSNoc'l--- On Tue 06/28, Matek Opoko < > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:From: Matek Opoko [mailto: > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ugandanet@kym.net, > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 05:25:28 -0700 > > >> (PDT)Subject: [Ugnet] =?iso-8859- > > >> 1?q?Tracing_the_roots_of_the_Acholi_people=92?= =?iso-8859- > > >> 1?q?s_suffering=2E=2Eby_Yoweri_Museveni=2E=2Ebrief_comm?= =?iso- > > >> 8859-1?q?ent_by_Matek?= > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Fellow Citizens: > > >> Sometimes I am simply left with a sense of disbelieve when I read > > >> and try to comprehend Museveni's Bull Mavi... So Museveni really > > >> thinks this his stupid crap of is going to sell? The fellow is > > >> simply a deranged idiot who does not know what he is talking > > >> about...I hear Acholi suffering is due to " colonial > > >> Manipulations".."Afro-Arab Conflict in Southern Sudan" Lack of > > >> eductation leading to mysticism." ...etc..etc.. The fact of the > > >> matter fellow citizens , is that Museveni createdthe mess in > > >> Northern and Eastern Uganda..and he is yet to pay for this.... > > >> when his bold becomes dek Quiddy!!! > > >> matek > > >> Tracing the roots of the Acholi people?s suffering > > >> > > >> Yoweri K. Museveni > > >> > > >> GULU > > >> The suffering of our people in Acholi, in particular, as well as > > >> part of the North-Central part of Uganda in general, has been > > >> occasioned by six factors: colonial manipulation and distortions; > > >> poor leadership; a weak state; bad national politics; the Afro- > > >> Arab conflict in the Sudan; and lack of education leading to > > >> mysticism.When the British were colonizing Uganda, they used the > > >> method of playing one group against another (divide and rule). > > >> Fearing the strength of the Buganda they had expanded at the > > >> expense of Bunyoro, in particular, as well as other parts of > > >> Uganda in general, they started a new scheme of using parts of > the > > >> North against our people in Buganda. They, then, started peddling > > >> certain myths and lies to play one group of our people against > > >> another. For instance, the Baganda were very "clever" people. > They > > >> were not like other natives of Uganda. On the other hand, the > > >> Northerners, the Acholis in particular, were "a martial race" > > >> whose natural ins tincts were skewed > > >> > > >> towards war-like activities. Those lies and distortions went to > > >> the heads of whatever leadership was available at that time > which, > > >> in turn, amplified and spread them to the rest of the > > >> population.Clear thinking leaders should never have countenanced > > >> such trash. It should have been treated with disdain they > deserved > > >> before it led our people to all these sufferings: the 1966 coup > by > > >> Obote against the Constitution; Amin's 1971 coup and the > > >> hemorrhage that went with it; the missed chance of 1979/1980; the > > >> massacres in Luwero (the philosophy of "a good Muganda is a dead > > >> one"); and the demonic madness of Kony, his collaborators and > > >> apologists.Poor leadershipJuxtaposed side by side with the > problem > > >> of colonial distortions and manipulation is the problem of poor > > >> leadership in Acholi. Like many other areas of Uganda, our Acholi > > >> people lacked leaders from within the community to tell, in very > > >> clear language, the trouble makers to go to hell.Buganda, and > > >> other parts of Uganda, for a long time, had the same problem: - > > >> nobody within the respective communities to tell off the trouble- > > >> makers and parasites. My personal experiences highlight this > issue > > >> in two instances: the onset of Idi Amin in 1971 and the problem > of > > >> Obugabe (Kingship in Ankole). Virtually all the citizens of North > > >> Ankole had been DP supporters. They, therefore, jubilated when > > >> Obote was overthrown by Amin. Their simple but erroneous > reasoning > > >> was as follows: "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." I told off > > >> all my confused compatriots, relatives, friends or previous > > >> collaborators. I could not support an uneducated person to be the > > >> President of Uganda for any > > >> > > >> length of time; moreover, a person that was known to be a killer. > > >> I never aided or abetted Amin for even one day. In so doing I > > >> provided uncompromising leadership against evil, against my very > > >> relatives, friends and close collaborators. More recently, there > > >> was the divisive issue of Obugabe (Kingship) in Ankole. I made it > > >> very clear that either Omugabe was accepted by all sections or we > > >> would allow no Mugabe. That type of leadership has been lacking > in > > >> Acholi, except for some few individuals from this area. How could > > >> leaders accept rape of children, murders, mutilations, > > >> disfigurements, etc? By not condemning loudly the terrorists, > many > > >> Acholi leaders were encouraging the wrong-doers. In fact, they > > >> would say: "let us kill civilians and Government would be > blamed". > > >> Indeed, it would happen - the Government would be condemned and > > >> the killers would either be pampered or covered up. How many > times > > >> did we hear the statements li ke: "It is the Government killing > > >> Acholis and blaming > > >> it on the rebels"? > > >> Weak state The third factor was a weak state, especially the > > >> phenomenon of a one-dimensional national defence force. Modern > > >> Armies are, at least, three-dimensional. A three-dimensional > > >> defence force covers land, sea (lakes) and air - i.e. Army, > > >> Airforce and navy. Owing to the turbulent history of Uganda, the > > >> building of a three dimensional National Defence force was never > > >> achieved. It is only recently that we are tackling this problem. > > >> By 1986 we had a very dedicated land force (infantry mainly). It > > >> was not, however, possible to quickly resolve the terrorism put > > >> out by Kony, supported by certain external forces, only relying > on > > >> this force alone. That is why the struggle had to be protracted. > > >> We are now, finally, solving that problem of a uni-dimensional > > >> national defence force. That is how we have been able to break > the > > >> back of the terrorists. We are continuing to build the three > > >> dimensions of our national defence forces. I can assure Ug andans > > >> that, henceforth, it will not be > > >> > > >> possible for any force to destabilise our democracy using force. > > >> We have the capacity to deal with them promptly unlike in the > past > > >> when we had to engage in this valiant but protracted campaign > > >> against the terrorists. Those in the habit of threatening > violence > > >> had better restrain themselves. The fact that UPDF has been able > > >> not only to cope with the Kony group but to also suppress it, is > a > > >> factor that should give Ugandans peace of mind regarding their > > >> democratic future. We are now going to focus more on corruption > in > > >> relation to State funds, contracts, fair adjudication and abuse > of > > >> office.Bad politicsThe undoing of Uganda right from the days of > > >> colonialism was the problem of bad politics. Bad politics means > > >> politics that is devoid of principles that are designed to uplift > > >> the people of Uganda out of their backwardness. It is politics > > >> that is, instead, aimed at, using the Ugandan people's lack of > > >> information to use them for personal interests to access jobs or > > >> resources. It is politics without vision for transformation. It > is > > >> parasitic politics. The bad politics of Uganda, in particular, > has > > >> been characterized by two elements: lack of belief in democratic > > >> solutions and sectarianism. Why has Kony been killing people? If > > >> he wanted power, ever since1989, when we expanded the NRC, we > have > > >> been having elections. Why couldn't he stand for any post? See > how > > >> we are resolving all outstanding issues: opening the political > > >> space, regional tier, term limits for President, etc. We refer > the > > >> issues to the referenda, Parliament, etc. Wh y should there be > > >> violence? Anybody who > > >> > > >> continues to believe or talk of violence, when there are > > >> democratic options is an enemy of the people and a criminal. The > > >> other element of bad politics is sectarianism, based on tribes, > > >> religion, etc. This is why Obote did not act against Amin even > the > > >> British Governor-General gave him the evidence of all the crimes > > >> he had committed. At that time 1962, there was still the false > > >> groupism of the Northern Region vs the other regions of Uganda. > > >> The consequences were very bitter for Uganda. "Whatever a man > sows > > >> is what he reaps." My stand on such issues is very clear. In > 1989, > > >> I dismissed my own brother, Saleh, from the Army for drunkenness. > > >> Yet, very few people in Uganda could compare with Saleh in > > >> contributing to our struggle. He had, however, lost bearing. I > had > > >> to act. I was, therefore, happy to hear that Rwot Acana > > >> reprimanded the terrorists when he met them near Palabek. That is > > >> part of the medicine. > > >> Afro-Arab conflictThe Afro-Arab conflict in the Sudan is one of > > >> the greatest indignities to the black people. Sudan should be a > > >> great Afro-Arab bridge, where the heritages of the two different > > >> races are accorded equal treatment. Instead, some elements in > > >> Sudan tried to turn it into an Arab bridge-head into Black Africa > - > > >> to convey Arabism and enforced Islamisation into the heartland of > > >> Black Africa. The Black people there, our brothers, waged a > > >> protracted and lonely struggle for their salvation ever since > > >> 1955. When we came into Government in 1986, for some unknown > > >> reasons, the Sudanese Arabs decided to attack us, without any > > >> provocation, on the 22nd of August, 1986, at Bibia. Our Battalion > > >> 28 defeated this attack decisively. However, the attackers, > > >> spurred on by Sudan fanned out and spread the terror to the > > >> countryside.The mistake by the Arabs of Sudan of interfering in > > >> our internal affairs caused us to give strong support to the > SPLA. > > >> As a consequence, the SPLA took over > > >> 90% of Southern Sudan, a land area that is three times the size > of > > >> Uganda. Some other Governments in Africa also extended material > > >> support to the SPLA off and on. The SPLA has, eventually, signed > a > > >> very good agreement with the Sudan Government, thereby liberating > > >> the people of Southern Sudan. The Sudanese Arabs, by supporting > > >> Lakwena and Kony, created a lot of problems for us, but they also > > >> created a lot of problems for themselves and a hope of freedom > for > > >> our Black brothers in Southern Sudan. Having realized the > futility > > >> and counter productiveness of their support for Kony, the > Sudanese > > >> Arabs, starting with 2002, agreed to end support for Kony. Some > > >> clandestine support for Kony continued until about one year ago. > > >> Without Sudan supporting Lakwena, Kony, and others, there would > > >> have been no terrorism in Northern Uganda, in West Nile, in the > > >> Rwenzori region, etc. However, possibly, there would not have > been > > >> the liberation of Southern Sudan either. Should we conclude that > > >> God > > >> works in mysterious ways? > > >> Lack of Education There seems to be a lot of superstition in > > >> Acholi that can be manipulated by the crooks like Kony. This is > an > > >> unfortunate result of limited education. The Movement has > > >> introduced Universal Education in the form of UPE. We have built > > >> Gulu University, etc. We shall get rid of illiteracy. However, > the > > >> Acholi leaders and religious leaders must help us with the > > >> superstition.The Movement and the UPDF have stood with you (the > > >> people of Acholi) throughout this in addition to our previous > > >> stand against Idi Amin, Milton Obote, etc. We support right, > > >> oppose wrong, unite as many people as can be united to isolate > the > > >> enemy to the maximum. You all can see that our firm stand is, > > >> finally and irreversibly, bringing peace.We have a rehabilitation > > >> plan as soon as the scattered remnants are accounted for. > > >> *This is an edited version of a speech President Museveni gave at > > >> a retreat for Acholi leaders at Paraa Lodge on June > > >> 26.__________________________________________________Do You > > >> Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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