Mulindwa THAT was YOUR Panda Gari. Mine was different, and lets not even go 
there.

Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:      Simon Nume
   
  Panda Gari was started in Uganda in mid 1979 after President Lule was 
deposed. When President Binayisa came to power and Museveni was a minister of 
defense, Museveni authorized Panda Gali to start, in fact if you were in 
Kampala as you claim, try to remember when we had a white Leyland bus from 
Kireka barracks that was terrorizing people in Kampala, that bus was under 
direct command of Museveni. It was the same Museveni that came and shot into 
the masses at city square during Twagala Lule oba Kufa tufe. Those were the 
UNLF days. And that Panda Gali continued on as Museveni was terrorizing the 
people using his FRONASA/Rwandese people until when Binayisa announced the 
transferring of David Oyite Ojoke to Nigeria. Panda Gali stayed into Uganda 
until when we had an election which brought Obote to power. And yes he found 
Panda Gali in function and he did not remove it after the election. Let us keep 
these issues into perspective.
   
  We need a commission of inquirely for our people are way forget full.
   
  Em
  Toronto
   
   The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
            Groupe de communication Mulindwas 
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"

    ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Simon Nume 
  To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ugnet] UPDF flee war front,500 arrested in 'Panda Gari' 
Operation 
  

  Mulindwa 
  Get your facts in order. Panda Gari started in Kla when M7 went to the bush. 
The people who were arrested and killed were accused of being M7's supporters.
   
  Obote was in Uganda then.
  I lost enough people then and know when it happened.
   
  Nume
   
  Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
      Simon Nume
   
  We are discussing whether Obote started Panda Gari as you stated. Secondly it 
is interesting that now you are stating that the people who got lost lives in 
Panda Gari lost it under Obote 2, now let me ask what was Panda Gari when it 
was introduced by Yoweri Museveni as a minister of defense in Uganda when Obote 
was still in Tanzania?
   
  Em
  Toronto
   
   The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
            Groupe de communication Mulindwas 
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"

    ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Simon Nume 
  To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ugnet] UPDF flee war front,500 arrested in 'Panda Gari' 
Operation 
  

  Mulindwa
   
  I understand from those who have met you that you are no youth and you are 
YEARS older than me.
  So dont go into the age thing as you yourself may be pensioned off.
  Your urguments abount Pand aGrai are strange. Peole who disappeared under 
Panda Gari died under Obote 2 's watch.
   
  You may have more finite details but for those who lost people every morning, 
 it was Obote Obote and nobody else

  Now if you have Bwiino.....
   
  Nume
Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
      Simon Nume
   
  You see that is the kind of lie I really refuse to stomach, Panda Gali came 
to Uganda when Obote was in Tanzania, Panda Gali was started by the Museveni's  
before Obote stepped into Bushenyi, in fact if you followed Uganda issues there 
was an argument blaming Obote for not stopping it when he was elected into 
government. That is the fact. Now today you are taking us to be little kids 
that were not in Uganda, and who were not following Uganda issues. How did 
Obote start Panda Gali in Uganda when we had it as he was in Tanzania? Nume you 
have every right to hate the man but stop peddling such lies.
   
  You know and that is what makes me really pissed for now Obote started Panda 
Gali in Uganda has become an accepted lie as Obote poisoned Mutesa. We need to 
start to grow up men and start with new ideas, ideas by young people which will 
make Buganda face this century. For one wonders why Kasangwawo today has old 
crap like Mulira to back his argument. Doesn't Buganda produce any youths? Do 
we still have to listen to the Mulira's and Mayanja Nkangi's? What knew idea do 
they have at that age?
   
  But you see with thinking like Nume's Senior citizens can run Buganda to 
their grave/s.
   
  Em
  Toronto
   
   The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
            Groupe de communication Mulindwas 
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"

    ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Simon Nume 
  To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ugnet] UPDF flee war front,500 arrested in 'Panda Gari' 
Operation 
  

  Mulindwa
   
  I fail to understand your point. Obote brought Panda Gari and now its being 
done in Gulu.
  The point here is that a killing method once used in Kampala is being used in 
Gulu twenty years later. 
   
  Whose fault is this ? Kansangwawo ??
  
Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
          Kasangwawo
   
  Munange ojjukira omusajja oli Obote omu Northerner eyaleeta Panda Gali e 
Uganda? Kale kirungi twamuwona munange.
   
  Em
  Toronto
   
   The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
            Groupe de communication Mulindwas 
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"

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      UPDF flee war front, 500 arrested in 'Panda Gari' Operation 
    
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  Aswa Times correspondent in Gulu
              UPDF soldiers caught in action fleeing from battle front wit LRA 
in Northern Uganda.
  ABOUT 500 soldiers, UPDF deserters and civilians were arrested in a night 
‘Panda Gari’ on Independence Day in Gulu town. The UPDF, police and Local 
Councils carried out the operation that started at around 3am and ended at 
7:30am on Tuesday.
  Two SMG guns and several rounds of ammunitions were recovered in the early 
morning joint operation.
  Soldiers and idlers that included drunkards and newspaper vendors were 
arrested. The northern Regional Army Spokesman, Lt. Chris Magezi, yesterday 
confirmed that hundreds of UPDF soldiers, deserters and idlers were arrested on 
Monday in a joint mop up operation.
  “The screening is still going on. So far, we have managed to get dozens of 
UPDF soldiers whom we have detained at our cells. We have handed the civilians 
to the police,” he said.
Magezi said the UPDF deserters would appear before the army court this week on 
charges of dissertation and Away without official leave (AWOL). 
  Gulu District Police Commander, Mr Yasiin Ndimwibo, said only five civilians 
had be handed to the police by press time. 
  The operation followed concerns by Gulu Municipal authorities that there was 
high crime rate in the town suburbs.
  It is not uncommon that hundreds of UPDF soldiers flee the battle front with 
LRA and take refugee in town and particularly in the slums in civilian dressing 
and in the night they commit lots of atrocities on the civilians, which the 
military swiftly blames on LRA rebels. It is this flight from the war front 
which created the ‘Ghost Soldiers Scandal (GSS) in which UPDF officers made 
millions of Shillings paying ‘ghost soldiers’. A number of senior military 
officers whose personal loyalty to President Museveni was questionable have 
been court martial, while his sycophants have been ‘forgiven’. [ENDS]
   
   
    
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