Rose Birungi
No Obama does not take his time to make a decision for he has never held
one. GWB made a decision after making a thorough investigation about it and
then he knew how he was going to back it up and back it up both financially
and physically. But in this thread I want to go after The American foreign
policy for Ocen has started to twist what I stated.
There are policies that are American foreign policies, it does not matter if
you are a Democrat leader or a Republican leader, it does not matter if the
president is a republican or a Democrat, that policy remains the same for it
is an American foreign policy. Let me narrow this to The Moslem brotherhood,
these are people that existed from time immemorial, they never popped out of
the jungle under Obama, we knew they were in Middle East and we knew they
were powerful and we knew they had a population support. But it has been an
American foreign policy to deter them from leadership positions. The Moslem
Brotherhood have been active in Middle East from far as I can remember, they
actually assassinated Anwar Sadat on 6th October 19181. But although they
were that active in politics they failed to lead any country for The
American foreign policy said Nope. When you look closely at the Middle East
today, you wonder why they are taking every government they want, to a point
of winning an election in Egypt to install Morsi. That should have never
happened but because Obama has no foreign policy yes it did.
Now to deny people like The Moslem brotherhood from holding power, is a
collection of actions, it is through funding the people that will support
The American foreign policy in the region, it is by giving scholarship to
their children so that he system lives on, it is get supporters in the local
armed forces and promoting them and putting them into powerful places, so it
is a whole what actions that happen inside. Now to you claiming that Obama
did well to let the system go the Moslem Brotherhood for it is a democratic
way, look very closely to Egypt and realize that actually The Brotherhood
won an election but the entire lower structure was not changed to their
support. Now you have Morsi in power but the entire Egyptian armed forces
has been tuned to be anti Moslem brothers and now you have what we call
Akatogo in Egypt for the leader that is elected has no military support. Now
you are going to watch Egyptians shot on streets in day light and on camera
as we have started to watch them. I am afraid that Egypt is going to get
worse the moment Morsis supporters take the streets seriously for they have
the population to do so, and Obama will be looking empty till when Israel
takes a decisive action which can easily be very drastic.
Now Obama is not the only poor leader we have warned about, we raised the
name of Olara Otunu, and to those following Uganda politics, I stated that
Olara Otunu was a disaster and was going to burry UPC {Uganda Peoples
Congress} These very same educated people came to Otunu s defense and they
attacked me with the infamous statement of You hate Olara Otunu for he is
an Acholi When you first forward to today, none of those supporters
actually know where Otunu is today. And I am here to tell you that secret.
You see in Uganda we still use Pit Latrine technology, Olara Otunu tried to
use it and he fell inside. No one has taken the time to pull him out yet.
Let us please get current than being blind supporters of born failures.
EM
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Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rose Birungi
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 5:00 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [UAH] U S MUST SUSPEND AID AFTER EGYPT'S COUP
Bush was decisive, Obama takes his time to make a decision.! Reminds me of
David Cameron who was refered to as the U-turn PM, by the British..Honestly
they.embraced the muslim brotherhood when they came to power in Egypt.
Theres chaos in Libya. People are dying to drones in Afighanstan and
Pakistan??Honestly these two leaders??
On Jul 6, 2013 10:29 AM, "Herrn Edward Mulindwa" <[email protected]> wrote:
Paul Mugerwa
No you do not need to overhaul their system, look as much as the decisions
made by the American administration directly affect all of us, we have to
accept that they are a country and they have interests. And those interests
guide the decisions they are making. Now that might sound as convoluted
statement but I want you to look at two presidents, George Bush the son and
Obama. George Bush had a foreign policy. He started that policy and he ran
it through, and look I am not here to debate how good or bad his policy was.
What I am here to explain is that as much as I hated Bushs policy, it
existed and he defended it through thick and thin. George Bush would make a
decision, and that decision would look stupid to everyone except himself,
but he would follow it through and cause all calamities in the process, but
that poor and stupid policy was implemented and protected. President Obama
does not have a policy. He protects nothing. He defends nothing. This man
runs the white house in a manner that looks like he wakes up in the morning
and pins down things to do and then he gets into the convoy and the rest of
pieces fall where they may. This man stood in a campaign and attacked
Guantamo Bay and he promised to close it. The rest of us adjusted our lives
for we are going to get a closed prison as soon as he gets to power. Read
this. Obama is going to get out of The White House with Guantanamo Bay open.
Now what happened to those of us that believed him? He stood and opposed the
Pipe line from Canada to Texas we adjusted ourselves, soon he is going to
sign on it for few days ago he indicated that he is now pro the pipe again.
In Egypt he surprised many of us when he supported the Muslim brothers, many
of us thought he was going to cut off aid to Egypt after past election, he
left it and worked with the Muslim brothers, today he is working with the
military and soon with Al-Baradei.
Jesus Christ what is Barrack Obamas policy?
EM
On the 49th
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Mugerwa
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 10:51 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [UAH] U S MUST SUSPEND AID AFTER EGYPT'S COUP
Mulindwa,
I agree with you, it is the whole system of foreign policy which has
collapsed though. Changing presidents will not solve the problem unless
they overhaul the system. US government is not good at critical and
challenging negotiations, the notion that might is right makes it their way
or the high way. But things have changed and they need to change
accordingly.
Paul Mugerwa
From: Herrn Edward Mulindwa <[email protected]>
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Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 7:33 PM
Subject: [UAH] U S MUST SUSPEND AID AFTER EGYPT'S COUP
Paul Mugerwa
You know for many months my name sake Edward Pojim has gone after me for
stating that this administration does not have a foreign policy. Now sit and
learn. United States is a very powerful country that builds a foreign
policy that we all use as a basis of continuance. It does not matter if it
is Canada Sweden Denmark Germany or you name it, but if you are in a western
country you follow the American foreign policy and we simply do not own it
today. Egypt has turned all of us in Western society into stupid idiots.
We need a president in United States.
EM
On the 49th
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Mugerwa
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 10:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [UAH] U S MUST SUSPEND AID AFTER EGYPT'S COUP
What is the official language of the US govenment while describing what took
place in Egypt? If there was no mention of the word coup, then aid will
continue to flow. The choice of words is the key here.
Paul Mugerwa
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Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 6:39 PM
Subject: [UAH] U S MUST SUSPEND AID AFTER EGYPT'S COUP
U.S. must suspend aid after Egypts coup
By Editorial Board, Thursday, July 4, 1:39 PM
THERE IS no ambiguity about what happened in Egypt on Wednesday: a military
coup against a democratically elected government and the wrong response to
the countrys problems. The armed forces forcibly removed and arrested
President Mohamad Morsi, who won 51 percent of the vote in a free and fair
election little more than a year ago. A constitution ratified by a
two-thirds majority in another popular vote last December was suspended;
dozens of leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood have been arrested and a number
of media outlets shut down. A little-known judge appointed as president and
granted the power to rule by decree will be entirely dependent on the armed
forces for his authority.
Having not spoken up against the excesses of Mr. Morsis government, the
Obama administration has, with equal fecklessness, failed to forthrightly
oppose the military intervention. But there should be no question that under
a law passed by Congress, U.S. aid to Egypt including the $1.3 billion
annual grant to the military must be suspended.
THERE IS no ambiguity about what happened in Egypt on Wednesday: a military
coup against a democratically elected government and the wrong response to
the countrys problems. The armed forces forcibly removed and arrested
President Mohamad Morsi, who won 51 percent of the vote in a free and fair
election little more than a year ago. A constitution ratified by a
two-thirds majority in another popular vote last December was suspended;
dozens of leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood have been arrested and a number
of media outlets shut down. A little-known judge appointed as president and
granted the power to rule by decree will be entirely dependent on the armed
forces for his authority.
Having not spoken up against the excesses of Mr. Morsis government, the
Obama administration has, with equal fecklessness, failed to forthrightly
oppose the military intervention. But there should be no question that under
a law passed by Congress, U.S. aid to Egypt including the $1.3 billion
annual grant to the military must be suspended.
Some in the administration and Congress will try to avoid this step, because
of the armed forces history as a U.S. ally and guarantor of peace with
Israel. But the suspension of aid is the necessary first step in a U.S.
policy that advances the aim Mr. Obama laid out in a Wednesday night
statement: to ensure the lasting restoration of Egypts democracy.
Following the removal from office of Hosni Mubarak in February 2011,
military leaders promised as they did again Wednesday to ensure
democratic rights and quickly move toward elections. They did neither.
Liberal democratic leaders who had opposed Mr. Mubaraks autocracy were
singled out for repression; critical journalists and activists were
prosecuted and jailed in military-run trials; and while elections were
repeatedly postponed, a campaign was launched against civil society groups
dedicated to promoting free elections and human rights, culminating in the
arrest and prosecution of the staff of several U.S. nongovernmental
organizations. The generals, meanwhile, insisted on constitutional
provisions exempting the armed forces and its budget from civilian
authority.
The Obama administration should now make clear to the new military-backed
regime that aid will be restored only if a genuinely democratic transition
is pursued in the coming months. That means tolerance for all peaceful
political forces, including the Muslim Brotherhood whose leaders,
including Mr. Morsi, should be immediately released. It means acceptance of
free assembly and free media, including the Islamist broadcasters that have
been shut down. Any changes to the constitution should be the result of a
consensus among all political forces, without diktats by the military. And
there must be a firm and short timetable for new parliamentary and
presidential elections.
Had the armed forces not intervened, democracy probably would have led to
the defeat within months of the Muslim Brotherhood in legislative elections.
If it does not provoke the eruption of violent conflict, this coup may well
ensure that Islamist forces, including more radical groups, grow stronger.
The United States must focus on preventing the worst outcomes in a vital
Arab ally, including civil war or a new dictatorship. That means dropping
its passivity and using the leverage of aid to insist on a democratic
transition.
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
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