Okay in the process of cleaning up the ledger let us get this one out of the way as well.
Betty Kamya When you look closely at the history of Ugandans they are politically immature. When the West goes to oppressed counties we have learnt too that democracy can never be planted into a country it must grow from within. I have friends from Afghanistan and they tell you straight up that the removal of The Talibans is the worst thing that can ever happen to Afghanistan, you see when we went there and removed them from power we reversed the system they had planted of having everything in control. Under The Talibans only the very very few on top of government would steal, and very small amounts of money that was so negligible. And that stealing of money and assets by those people was never a threat to Afghanis because the leaders never dreamt of leaving the country, thus they invested all stolen money into Afghanistan. The moment we removed them from power we opened up the system for everyone to steal, yes it is alright to steal from your country for no one is going to decapitate your head off. Afghanis stood up and started to steal whatever they get their hands on. But here is the caviar, the stealing Afghanis are from outside Afghanistan mainly, and they get the money from within there, and invest it into cities like Toronto, New York and London, so the stolen money to them is not helping Afghanistan the country as the stolen money by the Talibans. Immigration now has become profession for they come as investors with huge amounts of money, we simply cannot hold the demand of condos in cities like Toronto for we have just too many buyers. The Afghanis that cannot loot from home are starved as the country its self it starved. All this is happening for we walked into their country with an illusion that we can hand them a democratic principle and they will live a better life. We forgot that democracy is developed from within. Long term we are going to fail and we are getting out and trust me The Talibans are coming back to power through a popular vote. The only way Afghanistan can survive as an entity is when a woman gets screwed by a man than her husband, she is taken outside the city and bullets pumped into her. Now that can sound so cruel but the society wants it and it will remain so until 100 years later when they will reverse course, it is their business and never yours or mine. I have read much of your writings, and it is all useless because you are not addressing the issue of why Uganda is a failed state. It is a failed state for everyone in Uganda cares about his/her stomach. All way from Museveni to Norbert Mao to Kiiza Besigye to Betty Kamya to you name it. And you access that money by being as close to politics as possible. So stop to tamper with our documents and stop to change our constitutions, but remove your selves from eating from the state. Politics is never a profession but a job done to serve the country, so you show up and go away. Betty Kamya you stood to be reelected and you lost, get out of the way. Dr Kiiza Besigye get out of the way, and all the rest of them. As much as we complain about Museveni and his eating and poor governance, bottom line remains that Museveni eats with his people and all Ugandans eat, but at the end of the tail of eating, when Museveni shows up in Munyonyo, Nabagereka pulls her face up and shows up in the snap short sitting as close to Museveni s possible for he is the magnet of money. Even if we remove Museveni from power and replace him with Konny, still Nabagereka is going to target him and she is going to get a short with him for her purpose is your purpose is Norbert Maos purpose is every Bodaboda operators purpose, to feed on society. If you had any defense of caring about Uganda, honestly how did the Iganga toilets become that terrible Betty? In the last 27 years didnt you see them? In the time you were an MP seriously where was your noise about them? They have sat in Uganda and they have been neglected to a point of showing up on my computer in Toronto, in that sole state for you have been playing The Nabagereka syndrome of hunting down Museveni and when can I get a short with him to go into papers. When you stood in parliament you raised a question to wonder why Museveni does not hand you a 4X4 and all MPs deserve one. Not to repair the toilets of Iganga but a free 4X4 Betty. Here is the immediate solution, we need the constitution shut down in Uganda, we need a military decree and a command post, we need a true Sargent Doe to take that government, but we need him to invite all past and present politicians for negotiation of sharing power, after you get all of them and all of them, from as past politicians as old as Mayanja Nkangi to as present young MPs as Proscovia Oromit that got elected at age 20. Close the door and call in the Military Police to clean up the country the Sargent Doe way. When youre done with that clean up get a true Iddi Amin Dada and install him to power. If you do those things in that sequence, In 5 years all bulbs in Uganda will have power, all toilets will have running water, and all trains will be moving, but schools will be operational, hospitals will be changed from infection centers to healing centers, and the national debt paid in half. Tops 5 years. Uganda population today is about 36 million people, if an Amin can implement this program by eliminating only 16 million Ugandans into the process, I am in the tent with him and for a very good reason, the remaining 20 million people will still be an over populated number to a tinny country like Uganda. Who else is with me? Speak up and today !!!!!! EM On the 49th Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy" Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko" From: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com [mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of beti kamya Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 5:16 AM To: BUSAGWA MUGERERE Cc: bwanik...@gmail.com; akatu...@parliament.go.ug; nand...@parliament.go.ug; Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Forum; J Matovu; Jimmy Mayanja; John Kizza; Arnold Turwomwe; Busuulwa Steven D; akishuri bright; Belinda Namutebi-iBRAND Ltd; CHARLES KIWANU; HONEYWELL DICKENS; DANIEL OPOLOT; Dick Nvule; Mitayo de Potosi; jamidahkashilli...@gmail.com; rgilb...@gmail.com; iremerabar...@yahoo.com; musiimedar...@gmail.com; kabb...@yahoo.com; edwinoyug...@gmail.com; Andrew M. Mwenda; Farouk Ssali; francis mwine; g.gi...@yahoo.co.uk; G_NET; george okello; Hannah Ogwapiti; hajatly...@yahoo.com; Immanuel Osoro; Isaac Karwe; Isaac Omoding; irenekunih...@yahoo.com; iti...@yahoo.com; Nahamya Jo Stuart Mugisha; WB Kyijomanyi; Arthur LAROK; layet paska bitek; Lugemwa FN; money miles; Katende Mukwaba; Moses T. Mugalula; bosco nyeko; Conrad Nkutu; masembe nkata; akim odong; Benson Obua-Ogwal; Emmanuel Oseks; pafuladito bazirondere; Patrick Odoki; pammie ankunda; kanyeihamba ronald; Rashid bogere; Richard Mugisha; atim sarah; Mustapha Semanda; Vanansio Natuhwera; Margaret Vuchiri; Vincent Nuwagaba; nzaramba vicent; vincentmuki...@hotmail.com; violet abikora; wegul...@yahoo.com; yssemp...@yahoo.com; yvonne kayiteshonga; zowenaka...@hotmail.co.uk; Zainab Akol; zionlion7...@yahoo.com; kasibante hassan; EKM EKM; editor...@independent.co.ug; Emily Kaumba; Esta; Eric Kashambuzi Subject: {UAH} Re: YOUR ILL CONCEIVED REFERENDUM PROJECT Mr Busagwa, and how will "Ugandans stop an individual forming a personal army or security apparatus loyal to him...." as you suggest? You see M7 masquarades as a democrat by passing all his deals through parliament, where parliamentary procedure are followed and the majority take the day, or through court where due judicial processes are followed and rulings made. He is not like Amin who ruled by decree. So if M7 is using constitutional process to win the game, though we all know the pre-determined outcome, we can beat him at his own game by also using a constitutional process whose outcome will not be as easy for him to influence as it is during general elections, for the simple reason that the rules of the game in elections are different from those that govern citizen-driven referenda. In citizen-driven referenda (Provided for under Article 255(1)) like the one UFA is championing, proponents first collect signatures of registered voters who support the call for a referendum on a specified issue. If, for instance we are able to collect 6M signatures of registered voters, duly verified by the Electoral Commission as bona fide voters, all demanding that the EC organizes a national referendum to amend the constitution and reduce the powers of the president, it, alone will be a huge political statement, which the EC would have to content with during vote counting. Mind you, the EC would have given the proponents a certificate of compliance, acknowledging receipt of 6M petitioners' signatures, and confirming that all are registered voters. Besides, during a referendum, people would not be bound by alligiences to personalities and / or political parties, but rather each region will have their own uniting candidate in the name of the regional issue e.g. Buganda's candidate will be federo, Bunyoros candidate will be oil, Toros candidate will be Ebyeitu, Busoga's candidate will be electricity, Kigezi's candidate will be tourism/gorillas - our campaign message will be so smart that it will transcend political party allegiences. You might see people like Hon Abdu Katuntu, Prof Kanyeihamba & Gen Muntu (all self confessed non-federalists), on the same campaign platform with M7 and Mbabazi, while with Dr Besigye, AG Peter Nyombi, Rose Namayanja and myself on the federal platform. It is going to be an interesting contest where "unlike poles" will attract each other, distabilizing the usual rigging rules, otherwise, it will be interesting watching M7 and Katuntu conspiring to rig the referendum in favour of their "NO" side - There is nothing to lose in trying out the referendum. There are many efforts, all aimed at finding a solution to Ugandas problem - UPC want to meet the president, A4C have vowed to continue with W2W protests, Civil Society are wearing black, each Monday, FDC are constructing party structures, while others are calling for a National Dialogue - all commendable shows of discontent, but none have the legal framework or force of law to impact on M7, yet the national referendum can force him off the high horse, to go round the country, making his case, while the opposite side must also be funded by the State, to go round the country, making our own case about the excessive power of the presidency - THERE IS NOTHING TO LOSE IN CHALLENGING M7 TO A CITIZEN-DRIVEN REFERENDUM.... Beti On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:04 PM, BUSAGWA MUGERERE <mugere...@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Beti Olive Kamya Party President Uganda Federal Alliance Dear Madam, Many thanks for your political activism to make Uganda a better Country For All. However, I disagree with you when it comes to the approach or method to reduce Presidential powers. The question which should be asked is: How are the powers acquired? As you have grown up in Uganda's corridors of power you should be aware of these simple facts below: Your father was military man who served under Amin. The short-term serving presidents( Sir Edward Muteesa, Lule and Binais) all occupied the state house BUT all left the state house in very humiliating manner because they had no personal armies! The long-term serving presidents( Obote,Amin and Museveni) had/has one thing in common: personal armies. They crafted power for themselves on their way to state house by means of military means. The most important constituency for them is the army and sister organs(police,prison and secret services). Therefore,the one with the military means controls the Law/Constitution. Bulldozes and subdues the citizenry, squashes whoever criticizes his policies/actions and and exploits the country with impunity! Arrangements to involve Ugandans on how they wish to be governed have been frustrated in the past by this regime. Such as the Odoki commission which was held when the wounds of Luwero War were still very fresh! You are very much aware of the election malpractices each time elections have been held.Regrettably,this was reason that drove the incumbent to wage a very destructive war in terms of human lives lost! The Big Question is: HOW WILL YOUR REFERENDUM SUCCEED WHERE OTHER SIMILAR ARRANGEMENTS HAVE BEEN FRUSTRATED? In my view the remedy to excessive power is for Ugandans to stop or prevent an individual from forming or creating a security apparatus loyal to him which he uses a tool to FOR SELFISH ENDS TO bulldoze/oppress/exploit/intimidate/ kill the citizenry. I hope my message is clear. 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