Rajab Ali Did you seriously see the toilets out of Iganga? Do you think the ones in Bwayiise are very different? Nabakyaala is in Uganda and she lives in Uganda. How did she miss to see them? How did she fail to realize that they exist due to poor governance that is led by Museveni? When she was sitting that close for the snap short did she remember to whisper in Museveni's ear that Ugandans do not have a place to shit? Politics is always local and so is shitting. No seriously would you walk out of such a toilet and go to get a photograph with Museveni? If the answer is no then it means that Nabagereka unlike the rest of Ugandans that live in Iganga and Bwayise has a clean toilet, so she does not care what is in Bwayise let alone Iganga. There is nothing that is so exemplified in Buganda culture as matters relating to Obuyonjo, and that is the message one would honestly expect from Nabakyaala towards Museveni. I do not need her out to World Bank negotiating Uganda debts, I don't want her in embassies negotiating deals for Uganda let alone Buganda, I don't need her in The UN making speeches on behalf of Uganda, but I visualize a true Nabagereka that stands in front of Museveni and says that what is happening in the sewage system in Uganda is totally un acceptable and I need that at minimum on record. A Monitor paper with a head line Nabakyala atadde Akaka olwa Buyonjo mu Uganda.
No no let me go after this one. She starts by getting a clean Kabuyonjo, she detaches herself from the rest of Uganda by using it, then let the Ugandans shit wherever they will, because she has a car and she will be driven over it. And then she walks to Museveni and cries Gusinze Ssebo, by taking photographs to depict Museveni as a democratic man. Rajab if Nabakyaala stood up and made a call to Uganda Government to make these services available, and Uganda government rejected that call, she would have been a very powerful woman that all of us in diaspora would have stood up and raised all funds she needs to build a brand new sewage system in Uganda. Without a single dollar from the donor community for bottom line we have the money we just need organization at home, and a name to lead it and Nabakyala would have done that exceptionally well. But to achieve that, Nabakyaala needs to separate herself from Museveni to Ugandans, a deal she can never do. On record. Nabagereka has never ever stood up and made a single statement about the poor governance we have in Uganda, she is in public and she makes so many speeches but she has never ever stood up and questioned the government we have let alone governance in Uganda, she chooses her words very carefully. I need all of them invited to Munyonyo for a peace talk deal, whereby we all agree on how we can share the powers in the new government. I need all DP UPC Movement FDC Federalists Unitarists Mengo crap and the Nabakyaala baggages, all in Munyonyo next Monday morning, for a meeting on how we create the next government. As soon as all those politicians and opinion leaders drive in, military Police closes the road and Munyonyo become inaccessible for a full week. And the Monday after, we make a public statement that as we were sitting in the conference, Museveni's soldiers attacked Munyonyo and every one died. I am just too sick and tired of this Nabagereka syndrome. EM On the 49th Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy" Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko" -----Original Message----- From: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com [mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rajab Ali Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:13 PM To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com Cc: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: {UAH} BETTY KAMYA YOU HAVE GOT MAIL IN THE INBOUND Here we go Me, as long as you leave the Nnaabagereka out of it. Sent from my iPhone On 11 Sep 2013, at 15:17, Ssalongo Ssennoga <firstcall...@gmail.com> wrote: > My Vote and hats off for you Mr. Mulindwa! > > Villager > > On 9/11/13, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <mulin...@look.ca> wrote: >> Okay in the process of cleaning up the ledger let us get this one out >> of the way as well. >> >> >> >> Betty Kamya >> >> >> >> When you look closely at the history of Ugandans they are politically >> immature. When the West goes to oppressed counties we have learnt too >> that democracy can never be planted into a country it must grow from >> within. I have friends from Afghanistan and they tell you straight >> up that the removal of The Talibans is the worst thing that can ever >> happen to Afghanistan, you see when we went there and removed them >> from power we reversed the system they had planted of having >> everything in control. Under The Talibans only the very very few on >> top of government would steal, and very small amounts of money that >> was so negligible. And that stealing of money and assets by those >> people was never a threat to Afghanis because the leaders never >> dreamt of leaving the country, thus they invested all stolen money >> into Afghanistan. The moment we removed them from power we opened up >> the system for everyone to steal, yes it is alright to steal from >> your country for no one is going to decapitate your head off. >> Afghanis stood up and started to steal whatever they get their hands >> on. But here is the caviar, the stealing Afghanis are from outside >> Afghanistan mainly, and they get the money from within there, and >> invest it into cities like Toronto, New York and London, so the >> stolen money to them is not helping Afghanistan the country as the >> stolen money by the Talibans. Immigration now has become profession >> for they come as investors with huge amounts of money, we simply >> cannot hold the demand of condos in cities like Toronto for we have >> just too many buyers. The Afghanis that cannot loot from home are >> starved as the country its self it starved. >> >> >> >> All this is happening for we walked into their country with an >> illusion that we can hand them a democratic principle and they will >> live a better life. >> We >> forgot that democracy is developed from within. Long term we are >> going to fail and we are getting out and trust me The Talibans are >> coming back to power through a popular vote. The only way Afghanistan >> can survive as an entity is when a woman gets screwed by a man than >> her husband, she is taken outside the city and bullets pumped into >> her. Now that can sound so cruel but the society wants it and it will >> remain so until 100 years later when they will reverse course, it is >> their business and never yours or mine. >> >> >> >> I have read much of your writings, and it is all useless because you >> are not addressing the issue of why Uganda is a failed state. It is a >> failed state for everyone in Uganda cares about his/her stomach. All >> way from Museveni to Norbert Mao to Kiiza Besigye to Betty Kamya to >> you name it. And you access that money by being as close to politics >> as possible. So stop to tamper with our documents and stop to change >> our constitutions, but remove your selves from eating from the state. >> Politics is never a profession but a job done to serve the country, >> so you show up and go away. Betty Kamya you stood to be reelected >> and you lost, get out of the way. Dr Kiiza Besigye get out of the >> way, and all the rest of them. As much as we complain about Museveni >> and his eating and poor governance, bottom line remains that Museveni >> eats with his people and all Ugandans eat, but at the end of the tail >> of eating, when Museveni shows up in Munyonyo, Nabagereka pulls her >> face up and shows up in the snap short sitting as close to Museveni s >> possible for he is the magnet of money. Even if we remove Museveni >> from power and replace him with Konny, still Nabagereka is going to >> target him and she is going to get a short with him for her purpose >> is your purpose is Norbert Maos purpose is every Bodaboda operators >> purpose, to feed on society. If you had any defense of caring about >> Uganda, honestly how did the Iganga toilets become that terrible >> Betty? In the last 27 years didnt you see them? In the time you were >> an MP seriously where was your noise about them? They have sat in >> Uganda and they have been neglected to a point of showing up on my >> computer in Toronto, in that sole state for you have been playing The >> Nabagereka syndrome of hunting down Museveni and when can I get a >> short with him to go into papers. When you stood in parliament you >> raised a question to wonder why Museveni does not hand you a 4X4 and >> all MPs deserve one. Not to repair the toilets of Iganga but a free 4X4 Betty. >> >> >> >> Here is the immediate solution, we need the constitution shut down in >> Uganda, we need a military decree and a command post, we need a true >> Sargent Doe to take that government, but we need him to invite all >> past and present politicians for negotiation of sharing power, after >> you get all of them and all of them, from as past politicians as old >> as Mayanja Nkangi to as present young MPs as Proscovia Oromit that >> got elected at age 20. Close the door and call in the Military Police >> to clean up the country the Sargent Doe way. When youre done with >> that clean up get a true Iddi Amin Dada and install him to power. If >> you do those things in that sequence, In 5 years all bulbs in Uganda >> will have power, all toilets will have running water, and all trains >> will be moving, but schools will be operational, hospitals will be >> changed from infection centers to healing centers, and the national >> debt paid in half. Tops 5 years. Uganda population today is about 36 >> million people, if an Amin can implement this program by eliminating >> only 16 million Ugandans into the process, I am in the tent with him >> and for a very good reason, the remaining 20 million people will >> still be an over populated number to a tinny country like Uganda. >> >> >> >> >> Who else is with me? Speak up and today !!!!!! >> >> >> EM >> >> >> On the 49th >> >> >> >> >> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni and >> Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy" >> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri >> Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko" >> >> >> >> From: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of beti kamya >> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 5:16 AM >> To: BUSAGWA MUGERERE >> Cc: bwanik...@gmail.com; akatu...@parliament.go.ug; >> nand...@parliament.go.ug; Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Forum; J Matovu; >> Jimmy Mayanja; John Kizza; Arnold Turwomwe; Busuulwa Steven D; >> akishuri bright; Belinda Namutebi-iBRAND Ltd; CHARLES KIWANU; >> HONEYWELL DICKENS; DANIEL OPOLOT; Dick Nvule; Mitayo de Potosi; >> jamidahkashilli...@gmail.com; rgilb...@gmail.com; >> iremerabar...@yahoo.com; musiimedar...@gmail.com; kabb...@yahoo.com; >> edwinoyug...@gmail.com; Andrew M. Mwenda; Farouk Ssali; francis >> mwine; g.gi...@yahoo.co.uk; G_NET; george okello; Hannah Ogwapiti; >> hajatly...@yahoo.com; Immanuel Osoro; Isaac Karwe; Isaac Omoding; >> irenekunih...@yahoo.com; iti...@yahoo.com; Nahamya Jo Stuart Mugisha; >> WB Kyijomanyi; Arthur LAROK; layet paska bitek; Lugemwa FN; money >> miles; Katende Mukwaba; Moses T. Mugalula; bosco nyeko; Conrad Nkutu; >> masembe nkata; akim odong; Benson Obua-Ogwal; Emmanuel Oseks; >> pafuladito bazirondere; Patrick Odoki; pammie ankunda; kanyeihamba >> ronald; Rashid bogere; Richard Mugisha; atim sarah; Mustapha Semanda; >> Vanansio Natuhwera; Margaret Vuchiri; Vincent Nuwagaba; nzaramba >> vicent; vincentmuki...@hotmail.com; violet abikora; >> wegul...@yahoo.com; yssemp...@yahoo.com; yvonne kayiteshonga; >> zowenaka...@hotmail.co.uk; Zainab Akol; zionlion7...@yahoo.com; >> kasibante hassan; EKM EKM; editor...@independent.co.ug; Emily Kaumba; >> Esta; Eric Kashambuzi >> Subject: {UAH} Re: YOUR ILL CONCEIVED REFERENDUM PROJECT >> >> >> >> Mr Busagwa, and how will "Ugandans stop an individual forming a >> personal army or security apparatus loyal to him...." as you suggest? >> >> >> >> You see M7 masquarades as a democrat by passing all his deals through >> parliament, where parliamentary procedure are followed and the >> majority take the day, or through court where due judicial processes >> are followed and rulings made. He is not like Amin who ruled by >> decree. So if M7 is using constitutional process to win the game, >> though we all know the pre-determined outcome, we can beat him at his >> own game by also using a constitutional process whose outcome will >> not be as easy for him to influence as it is during general >> elections, for the simple reason that the rules of the game in >> elections are different from those that govern citizen-driven >> referenda. >> >> >> >> In citizen-driven referenda (Provided for under Article 255(1)) like >> the one UFA is championing, proponents first collect signatures of >> registered voters who support the call for a referendum on a >> specified issue. If, for instance we are able to collect 6M >> signatures of registered voters, duly verified by the Electoral >> Commission as bona fide voters, all demanding that the EC organizes a >> national referendum to amend the constitution and reduce the powers >> of the president, it, alone will be a huge political statement, which >> the EC would have to content with during vote counting. Mind you, the >> EC would have given the proponents a certificate of compliance, >> acknowledging receipt of 6M petitioners' signatures, and confirming >> that all are registered voters. >> >> >> >> Besides, during a referendum, people would not be bound by >> alligiences to personalities and / or political parties, but rather >> each region will have their own uniting candidate in the name of the regional issue e.g. >> Buganda's >> candidate will be federo, Bunyoros candidate will be oil, Toros >> candidate will be Ebyeitu, Busoga's candidate will be electricity, >> Kigezi's candidate will be tourism/gorillas - our campaign message >> will be so smart that it will transcend political party allegiences. >> You might see people like Hon Abdu Katuntu, Prof Kanyeihamba & Gen >> Muntu (all self confessed non-federalists), on the same campaign >> platform with M7 and Mbabazi, while with Dr Besigye, AG Peter Nyombi, >> Rose Namayanja and myself on the federal platform. It is going to be an interesting contest where "unlike poles" >> will >> attract each other, distabilizing the usual rigging rules, otherwise, >> it will be interesting watching M7 and Katuntu conspiring to rig the >> referendum in favour of their "NO" side - There is nothing to lose >> in trying out the referendum. >> >> >> >> There are many efforts, all aimed at finding a solution to Ugandas >> problem >> - >> UPC want to meet the president, A4C have vowed to continue with W2W >> protests, Civil Society are wearing black, each Monday, FDC are >> constructing party structures, while others are calling for a >> National Dialogue - all commendable shows of discontent, but none >> have the legal framework or force of law to impact on M7, yet the >> national referendum can force him off the high horse, to go round the >> country, making his case, while the opposite side must also be funded >> by the State, to go round the country, making our own case about the >> excessive power of the presidency - THERE IS NOTHING TO LOSE IN >> CHALLENGING M7 TO A CITIZEN-DRIVEN REFERENDUM.... >> >> >> >> Beti >> >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:04 PM, BUSAGWA MUGERERE >> <mugere...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Dear Beti Olive Kamya >> Party President >> Uganda Federal Alliance >> >> Dear Madam, >> >> Many thanks for your political activism to make Uganda a better >> Country For All. >> >> However, I disagree with you when it comes to the approach or method >> to reduce Presidential powers. The question which should be asked is: >> How are the powers acquired? >> >> As you have grown up in Uganda's corridors of power you should be >> aware of these simple facts below: Your father was military man who >> served under Amin. >> >> The short-term serving presidents( Sir Edward Muteesa, Lule and >> Binais) all occupied the state house BUT all left the state house in >> very humiliating manner because they had no personal armies! >> >> The long-term serving presidents( Obote,Amin and Museveni) had/has >> one thing in common: personal armies. They crafted power for >> themselves on their way to state house by means of military means. >> The most important constituency for them is the army and sister >> organs(police,prison and secret services). >> >> Therefore,the one with the military means controls the >> Law/Constitution. Bulldozes and subdues the citizenry, squashes >> whoever criticizes his policies/actions and and exploits the country >> with impunity! >> >> Arrangements to involve Ugandans on how they wish to be governed have >> been frustrated in the past by this regime. Such as the Odoki >> commission which was held when the wounds of Luwero War were still >> very fresh! You are very much aware of the election malpractices each >> time elections have been held.Regrettably,this was reason that drove >> the incumbent to wage a very destructive war in terms of human lives >> lost! >> >> The Big Question is: HOW WILL YOUR REFERENDUM SUCCEED WHERE OTHER >> SIMILAR ARRANGEMENTS HAVE BEEN FRUSTRATED? >> >> In my view the remedy to excessive power is for Ugandans to stop or >> prevent an individual from forming or creating a security apparatus >> loyal to him which he uses a tool to FOR SELFISH ENDS TO >> bulldoze/oppress/exploit/intimidate/ kill the citizenry. >> >> I hope my message is clear. >> >> Yours faithfully, >> MUGERERE >> >> >> >> -- >> UAH forum is devoted to matters of interest to Ugandans and Africans >> in general. 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