I do not think this vote is more about UK as it is to The EU, and trust me we
lived through the Quebec referendum in this country already, but our referendum
was more about Canada when this one is more about The EU. And one can opine
that even if the No vote wins the threat against The EU remains a very bold
animal on our plate however long we ignore it. You can survive this vote but
the election of France is just by the door and that election if called is going
to be a direct challenge again to the EU. It is an organization that has so
screwed up Europe that many countries are going to very soon hold election
based on only “If we win the election we will pull the country out of The EU”
The EU has affected some very fundamental structures of lives that have been
enjoyed by many states, labor laws that have been a comfort of some countries
have been reversed, hours of work have been changed, over time payment has been
changed. Powers to hire and fire has been changed in many countries. I have
visited some of these countries and one of them is Sweden I somehow know some
well, and I have never seen a beggar on a Stockholm street, yet today one can
argue that Stockholm is about to pass Toronto in holding homeless people on
streets all thanks to The EU and the changes of laws it has forced on people.
It does not matter how this vote ends up, the people are upset and are about to
revolt against the EU. You simply cannot allow people to set up laws to live
under and turn around to remove them for now you have galloped them under one
flag and expect them to keep quite. Many countries want job creation, how do
you combine for example Norway with UK when UK spends its money into blowing up
countries than creating jobs at home? Do you see Canada joining United States?
No because our agenda is very different from Americans. We rather create jobs
here than cutting money from food banks to fund Baghdad.
This vote is only a warning shot that needs to be looked at very carefully but
closely.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
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Over Scottish Vote for Independence - The Daily Beast
I want to lean that way, too, because of the desperate sacrifice that Cameron
has invested in this Referendum.
The PM has effectively weakened UK's lordship over Scotland, and undermined his
own authority over UK's relations with other partner States.
Pojim
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Pojim ;
If I am to stick my neck out, I will say that the No's win by a narrow margin.
Ocen
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Ocen;
Bribes are not what they used to be!
Pojim
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<http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/10/anarchy-for-the-u-k-british-leaders-panicking-over-scottish-vote-for-independence.html>
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/10/anarchy-for-the-u-k-british-leaders-panicking-over-scottish-vote-for-independence.html
Anarchy for the U.K.? British Leaders Panicking Over Scottish Vote for
Independence
LONDON — A sense of panic is growing in official England. Bureaucratic leaders
who calmly steered Britain through 300 years of political stability are
beginning to fear they have made a terrible mistake. By allowing Scotland to
hold a straight “yes” or “no” referendum on independence, David Cameron is on
the verge of making history as the man who broke up the United Kingdom.
The Prime Minister was always confident that Scotland would back away if
presented with the opportunity to go it alone. Opinion polls up until this week
suggested that, while it may have been a risky strategy, he was ultimately
right. Eyebrows were raised when one opinion poll suggested otherwise on
Sunday, when a second confirmed that this race was neck-and-neckLondon was left
scrambling to save the union.
With eight days until the vote, the Scottish flag was raised above Downing
Street; the Queen was urged to intervene after centuries of royal political
neutrality; and the traditional Prime Minister’s Questions session was
abandoned at the last minute as all three major party leaders raced to Scotland
to campaign on Wednesday.
After years of what Scottish nationalists saw as patronizing indifference, Alex
Salmond, Scotland’s First Minister, could scarcely contain his glee. He said
the desperate, unplanned rush north was “the biggest blunder of the campaign.”
“The message of this extraordinary, last minute reaction is that the
Westminster elite are in a state of absolute panic as the ground in Scotland
shifts under their feet,” he said.
Even supporters of the no campaign privately concede that having Cameron in
town could harm their cause. The Conservative Party has been reviled in
Scotland since the days of Margaret Thatcher, whom many blame for crushing
Scottish industry in the 1980s. Of the 59 MPs elected to represent Scotland in
the current U.K. Parliament, only one is a Tory.
The Conservative Prime Minister acknowledged that his party wouldn’t be winning
any popularity contests but he asked voters to remember that the referendum on
September 18th was about far more than party politics. “Because it is an
election, people think it’s like a general election,” he said. “If you are fed
up with the f’ing Tories give them a kick. This is not a decision about the
next five years, but the next century.”
Until now, the no campaign has focused on the potential pitfalls of
independence with doom-laden warnings over currency and the economy attracting
a backlash from proud Scots. The referendum has often been painted as a
question of head vs. heart.
“Because it is an election, people think it’s like a general election. If you
are fed up with thef’ingTories give them a kick. This is not a decision about
the next five years, but the next century.”
Appearing close to tears, however, Cameron said it would be “heartbreaking” if
Scotland left the union. “It is your decision, it’s the Scottish people who
decide, but please be in no doubt that the rest of the United Kingdom is
watching, listening, holding our breath. We care passionately about this family
of nations and we would really be desperately sad to see it torn apart.”
As part of this desperate bid to stave off independence, the Labour and Liberal
Democrat leaders joined Cameron in announcing a timetable for delivering more
powers to Scotland if they vote to stay in the United Kingdom. The nation
already has its own devolved parliament, and authority over most domestic
policy, but the new concessions would give Scotland even greater control over
tax and spending.
Granting these powers at the last minute, without a vote from the rest of the
U.K., makes a mockery of Cameron’s refusal to offer a compromise option in the
referendum. Salmond had initially asked for a package of additional powers,
known as “Devo max” to be included on the ballot paper. Cameron said no,
reasoning that Scotland was likely to opt for greater devolution but would stop
short of total independence.
He was comprehensively out-foxed by Salmond, the Scottish National Party
leader, who now finds himself in a win-win position. Even if he loses the vote
next week, Scotland will be granted the very powers Cameron stopped him from
including in the referendum.
The criticism of Cameron’s negotiating skills don’t end there. He also allowed
Scotland to push the vote back until this year, which gave the SNP enough time
to win the public around. He agreed to Salmond’s unprecedented request that
people as young as 16 be allowed to vote (young people are far more likely to
say yes to independence), and he accepted that Scottish people in the rest of
the U.K. would not be allowed to vote.
“For some stupid twatting reason Cameron negotiated away my vote. I, along with
800,000 Scots in the UK, don’t have a say,” said Armando Iannucci, the comedian
and creator of Veep, a Scot who lives in London.
Despite these apparent failings at the negotiating table, the “no” campaign has
held a commanding lead for most of the last two years. It has been steadily
closing, however, and a second televised debate, in which Salmond performed
impressively, handed the momentum to the separatists.
“The more people see the two sides together and the more they come to ‘yes,’”
Marco Biagi, the SNP representative for Edinburgh Central, told The Daily Beast.
He said a swing from Labour supporters towards independence had been
crucial—even though the party leaders have argued in favor of keeping the
union. “A lot of people are coming over from Labour to back independence
because they realize that independence is the best chance they have of getting
an independent Scotland and getting a Labour Party worthy of the name,” he said.
Ed Miliband, the Labour leader, was in Scotland Wednesday arguing with his
“head, heart and soul” that Scots would be better off in the U.K. “It has been
said that the emotional argument lies with independence,” he said. “Not for me.
Not for so many people across our country. Because our hearts lie with you… I
believe we can better create a more equal, a more socially just society
together than we can alone.”
While the London-based politicians have refocused on positive arguments for
retaining the union after a backlash against their negativity, the
“scaremongering” has continued at pace from the worlds of business and
economics.
The German investment bank Deutsche Bank warned its clients to “be afraid, be
very afraid” of the fallout from separation; Nomura, Japan’s top bank, forecast
a “cataclysmic” impact.
Cities like Edinburgh and Glasgow rely heavily on the financial sector, which
is expected to desert Scotland if there is a vote to become independent. Even
in the Highlands, where exposure to world markets would appear less obvious,
there remains a deep fear of the economic unknown.
Ian Campbell, a councilor for the Highlands in Perthshire and Kinross who has
been campaigning against independence for months, told The Daily Beast that you
cannot escape the economic question. “It’s sad but a lot of the estates and
lodges around here which employ staff and create revenue are owned by people
who live down south or their money comes from down there,” he said.
He is convinced that, in the end, economic reasoning will force Scots to
reluctantly reject independence. “They’re not daft,” he said.
Anarchy for the U.K.? British Leaders Panicking Over Scottish Vote for
Independence - The Daily Beast
<http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/10/anarchy-for-the-u-k-british-leaders-panicking-over-scottish-vote-for-independence.html>
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/10/anarchy-for-the-u-k-british-leaders-panicking-over-scottish-vote-for-independence.html
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