Ocaya pOcure
You have two major problems on your hands.
A} You have a population that stands up and make statements it does not have to
back up. Very many times Gwokto and Angol have stood in this very forum and
stated that Amin’s government failed for he fired every educated man and woman
and handed the jobs to soldiers Banubbi and Moslems that were not educated at
all. Now tell me who was more educated than Okot Y Y, Amama Mbabazi, Okoth
Ogola and the list continues, for those are some of those that were running
that government. Is it Gwokto or Angol? And no they do not have to respond for
they make these unsubstantiated statements in a forum with small minds. Which
brings me to the second problem.
B} Just this morning, Grace Nasaka stood in a forum this large and state the
following “Last week the remains of Erinayo Oryema were exhumed and reburied.
Amin's soldiers when they took ghe body to his hime, they dug a hole, dumped
his body inside and covered it with a dumper of concrete. When the body was
exhumed, it was found in a blanket, and was wearing an army uniform. The shirt
had suspected bullet holes sround the chest area and blood. I wonder what
accident can cause holes in tge chest area. -Grace Nassaka Ssuuna ” End quote.
It does not matter how much you educate this character she still believes to
today that you can get a body, throw it into a hall and with a dumber burry it
with concrete and after almost 40 years when that body is sitting in that
direct concrete you dig it out of it and still find the bullet holes in the
shirt. Had this character continued writing, it would have stated how the holes
in the shirt were tested and Iddi Amin’s finger prints were found on them.
There is a very reason why discussing Uganda issues ended up what it exactly is
today. A vitriol orgy.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
Last week the remains of Erinayo Oryema were exhumed and reburied. Amin's
> soldiers when they took ghe body to his hime, they dug a hole, dumped his
> body inside and covered it with a dumper of concrete. When the body was
> exhumed, it was found in a blanket, and was wearing an army uniform. The
> shirt had suspected bullet holes sround the chest area and blood. I wonder
> what accident can cause holes in tge chest area.
>
> Grace Nassaka Ssuuna
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WBK,
Please do not forget that in Uganda we like our KILLERS. M7 was given power
because there were some Ugandans belief that he was the best KILLERS. So now M7
is still being the winner in this game.
For Rugunda he is just nothing but give us nothing!
Ocaya pOcure
Den söndag, 21 september 2014 18:35 skrev WB <[email protected]>:
Mr Nekyon:
Good for you. I get a feeling many Ugandans are actually confused. Call then
fence sitters. Let us take a look at some of the jobs Mbabazi held just under
YKM forget, SRB: Director general of ESO, Minister of security, I think even
defense minister. Map his time in those portfolios with the situation in
Uganda. He basically presided over terror for Ugandans. I mean he was not in
education, labour, health or even Finance, but in security related portfolios
where he must have squeezed many innocent Ugandans.
I am not good at pretending or feigning admiration for someone when I despise
them. Mr Mbabazi is not a good man period. He is a man of intrigue and nnugu.
That is right: nnugu and pettiness. He thought he was untouchable. Do not
forget how he misused IGG to go after his perceived threats such as Hon Bukenya
and send them to Luzira. What was the name of that hapless acting IGG again?
Kumbe YKM had also other ideas. Think about it, how a man who served in SRB and
those other security posts fell so easily into the trap set up by Hon Anite is
shocking. Mr Mbabazi and his team did not stop to ask the big question: what if
Hon Anite is acting for the big man? For some strange reason they despised Hon
Anite perhaps due to her age, gender, ethnicity or all. make no mistake it was
that kyankwanzi motion that set him and from that point on he was simply making
mistake after mistake. The ret is history.
Part of me wants Mr Mbabazi to foolishly take the advice of his admirers and go
mano mano with YKM. You know how that will end.
WBK
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 12:17:47 -0400
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WBK;
I stopped being shocked by Ugandans long ago!
Another fellow who was in SRB was retired Brigadier Matayo Kyaligonza.
Ocen
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Mr Nekyon:
Expect Ugandans to defend them that they were in SRB doing spade work for
FRONASA and not really murdering Ugandans.
In other words that their work in SRB was to undermine Amin!
WBK
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 12:10:21 -0400
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WBK;
If I am interpreting the written reports correctly Jacqueline Mbabazi, was also
in SRB as a Telephone operator.
Ocen
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Mr. Kipenji:
But if Ugandans detest YKM for overstaying, look at the people who helped him
suppress Ugandans. Look at the portfolios Mr Mbabazi had held under YKM and
other previous regimes. It even turns out that he was not only in SRB but was
also apparently the director of legal affairs in UNLA as per the CV posted on
UAH. So someone who goes back to SRB should be preferred and welcomed to
replace YKM? Is that the change Ugandans are yearning for? What is it I am
missing? Actually if it turns out that he was in SRB and director of legal
affairs in UNLA then something is really wrong with Ugandans.
For me I am indifferent . I don't give a hoot about Mr. Mbabazi. Erase that I
was until the SRB bombshell came along. So what changes are Ugandans looking
for? They even consider a SRB monster as a potential presidential candidate?
Holly cow!
Yes it is time for YKM to go, but it does not and should not mean that it is
the likes of Mbabazi to replace him. As the saying goes "enkkolo ssi
mmere"/anything does not count as food.
Dr Rugunda has survived because he has no naked ambition to be president. In
other words he knows his place.
Ugandans do not care anymore about performance. Consider the OPM which was and
still is one of the most corrupt. Yet many mourn the demise of Mr Mbabazi, the
PM who presided over most of that corruption.
And BTW why does Uganda need a PM on top of an executive president? What is it
that would not done if the office of the PM was abolished?
Knowing Ugandans, I will not be surprised a bit if the Ugandan opposition, yap,
came out in support of Mr Mbabazi. Phew!
WBK
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 02:46:36 +0100
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Mr Kyijomanyi:
Fascists like Museveni make you believe they are infallible and that the myriad
of parallel para military organs they create will serve them ad infinitum.
Unfortunately eventually there reaches a Rubicon that cannot be crossed without
being made accountable for the actions.
I know you do not think highly of Mr Mbabazi for reasons beknownst to yourself
but we cannot be so naive to think that Museveni will have his way all the time
till he drops dead.
May be,the majority of Ugandans who are primarily laggards will now wake up and
tell Museveni that it is time they
changed him instead.In a nutshell,there is still so much to write about this
saga.
Lastly,many people praise Dr Rugunda so much without knowing that he,Rugunda
has survived this long because of being a chronic non performer.Just look at
the trail where he has been stationed and utter here any serious legacy of his
performance.
That is why Museveni has put him there almost 30 years after the fact.
Kipenji
On Saturday, 20 September 2014, 19:25, WB <[email protected]> wrote:
Mr. Kipenji:
You are saying that Mr. Mbabazi can still serve as SG. may be. If he were to
successfully resist he would certainly be the first to do in several African
countries. If history is an indication as Mr. Nekyon noted, his chances are
very thin. And guess what, even those who were shouting before that they will
die with Mr. Mbabazi are now more interested in protecting their fufu and
believe me will deny him.
QN: are you saying party SG cannot be relieved of his or her duties through
other means? What if YKM calls NRM's highest organ to suspend him? I think
there short cuts to relieve him of his duties as SG, pending a delegates
conference. And were are talking about Uganda where the president gets what he
wants.
Well, let us not waste time arguing for as they say we cannot be arguing
whether the slaughtered cow was pregnant or not. The result would be clear
soon.
So we get things clear. If you believe just one part of his CV, there are
others too, but let us take the claim that he served in state research bureau
during Amin's time that would be quite something. So when did he leave the SRB?
Was he still in SRB when for example, the Archbishop and the two ministers were
killed etc? What did he know about that etc.
And mark you he married a reverend's daughter.
WBK
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 13:53:14 -0700
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Dakitari,
I read you over. Indeed it is too early to write off Amama Mbabazi as some
people would want to. I think there is much to come from both camps. There was
time when Amama Mbabazi rejected the idea of resigning stating that he would go
nowhere, and if he were to go,then he would go together with Museveni. Could
that time have arrived?
Like I said yesterday, being sacked in Uganda's NRMO is nothing new. President
Museveni has used such actions to consolidate his grip on the party and
presidency; now most of his loyal and would be challengers must be confessing
their loyalty and vows to work under him come rain come sunshine, and he
survives another term, as they retain their positions, bingo!
Besides, there are no life leaders, they come and go; if Amama has gone, that
is not the end of his road unless he decides to, he can even be re-appointed to
another position. As President Museveni's stock of historical leaders is
dwindling, he is left with no choice but to recycle the few ones living ones
such that Amama might branded into a new officer. These guys know their game. I
will not be surprised when Amama is given another appointment.
Peter Simon
On Saturday, September 20, 2014 4:05 PM, Gwokto La'Kitgum <[email protected]>
wrote:
Owor,
Party loyalist will fire Amama mercilessly at a wink bcos he has become a
nobody (uninfluential) in and for the party. In other words, he is now w noner.
___________________________________
Gwokto La'Kitgum
"Even a small dog can piss on a tall Building", Jim Hightower
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 2:02 PM, 'Owor Kipenji' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH)
Community < <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]> wrote:
So much about this hullabaloo.Now that Museveni sacked Mbabazi as PM,what
happens to the position
Mbabazi holds as Secretary General of the ruling Junta aka NRMO?
Will Museveni go ahead and sack Mbabazi as Secretary General of the NRMO
too?.We all know that this
is not an appointed position but one where delegates are involved.
Mr Museveni may have been resolute in sacking Mbabazi as PM but he might not
have done his homework
very well.
I know there are people on this forum who say Mbabazi is the most hated Ugandan
politician based on their own
tools of assessment and coding for such superlatives but we have to know that
fascists like Museveni eventually
in their megalomania make decisions that come back to bite them.
Amama Mbabazi may indeed be the most hated politician as per the claims of some
people but compared to Museveni,he might not be.Besides Museveni has allowed
Mbabazi to get into his bedroom for so long a time that merely sacking him as
PM and allowing him to be free will lead to alot of sleepless nights for
Museveni.
There is always a limit to everything.May be,just may be,Amama Mbabazi can turn
out to be that limit of acquiescing
to Museveni's fascism that Ugandans have been waiting for.
Lets not rush to write Amama's political epitaph yet.
For the Museveni spin doctors et apologist,I want to tell you that you are the
bane of Uganda's problems.
To the appointment of Dr Rukahana Rugunda,there would never have been a chronic
non performer that Museveni would lure into his increasingly reducing family of
supporters than Dr Rugunda.Follow Rugunda's station since the advert of the
NRA/M fascism and you will get a catalogue of non performance exemplar..
If according to Gwokto,even the Acolis' are talking well of Rugunda,then may be
they were more right in July 1985.
Kipenji
On Saturday, 20 September 2014, 13:42, " <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]" < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]>
wrote:
WBK;
With the SG saga Mbabazi was set up by M7. The idea that an SG can take on a
sitting president and win is simply a "Fairytale."
Look back into history and see what happened to Oscar Kambona (Tz), Tom
Mboya(Ke) and Grace Ibingira(Ug).
They all lost.
I believe M7 told Mbabazi to resist the call by the NRM members for him to
relinquish the SG post, while also egging the members behind the scenes to ask
him to step down from the post.
Mbabazi took the bait 'Hook, Line and Sinker.'
Here is a word of warning to the Anaite's and Todwong's of the world who may be
the beneficiaries : "power is only loyal to its beholder and those who get too
close to the Sun, get burned!"
Ocen
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Mr. Nekyon:
The answer is Yes. Mr. Mbabazi's political future is DEAD AS DODO. He is
political history. Ugandans missed something else. It was Mr. Ofwono Opondo who
confirmed his dismissal.
Funny some want to make him an Ali baba yet he is not. And let us be clear,
there is nothing Mr Mbabazi is going to do politically. Yes he is still SG but
that will soon end through a special delegates conference packed with YKM
loyalists. Forget the Nina held register it is garbage. She can keep it as her
souvenir.
Now suppose I am wrong and Mr Mbabazi resurrects politically, where is his
political base? Furthermore suppose he goes mano mano with YKM which regions
can he carry? I dare say that Mr Mbabazi is actually not electable period.
Forget the lies going on. He struggled to win his seat and people give him a
chance to win Uganda. Not chance in a million.
What I see is some folks edging him on towards political suicide. I dare add
that he cannot even say or do what Hon Bukenya did, which is defy NRM and
somehow still stay relevant. the moment he left Luzira on trumped up charges,
Hon Bukenya was a free man to speak his mind.
Folks get of the fence and tell the truth.
WBK
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 11:28:47 -0400
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While Amama Mbabazi's (right) sacking was abrupt, the falling out of the two
men --President Yoweri Museveni (left) and Mbabazi-- has been a train wreck
captured frame-by-frame, blow-by-blow. PHOTOS | FILE
By BARBARA AMONG Special Correspondent
Posted Saturday, September 20 2014 at 14:25
President Yoweri Museveni has sacked his long time confidant Amama Mbabazi from
the position of prime minister, and replaced him with Dr Ruhakana Rugunda, in
what political watchers say will end the uncertainty that was eating into the
party members’ loyalty, and project the Head of State as a resolute leader.
The sacking of Mr Mbabazi, five months after he was almost relieved of his
duties as secretary-general of the ruling National Resistance Movement, also
laid bare determination to stop any opposition to President Museveni’s
candidature in the 2016 elections.
Mr Mbabazi becomes the first prime minister to be sacked in Museveni’s 28-year
rule; his stint is the shortest.
“I have with immediate effect, decided to appoint Dr Ruhakana Rugunda as the
new prime minister of Uganda,” the president said in a letter to the Speaker of
parliament. No reason was given for relieving Mr Mbabazi of his duties.
NRM spokesperson Ofwono Opondo told The EastAfrican the party was unhappy with
Mr Mbabazi for backtracking on his promise to relinquish the position of prime
minister once he was voted in as secretary-general. However, Mr Mbabazi’s
supporters say his crime has been to openly declare his ambition for the
presidency.
Although he had said he would not contest against President Museveni, he often
asked, “What is wrong with having a political ambition?” This had been
construed by Museveni’s camp as daring to unseat the Head of State.
Mr Mbabazi, who served on the political wing of the guerrilla war that saw
Museveni take over power in 1986, has worked with Museveni for four decades and
was one of the few remaining historicals in the government. Many have either
died or fallen out with Museveni.
His sacking, political watchers in Kampala say, could also see an all-out war
between the two close friends in the next election or send Mr Mbabazi into a
political abyss like many before him who fell out with the system.
The Museveni-Mbabazi wrangles have been festering since 2008 but climaxed early
this year amid allegations that he has been quietly building a financial base
and mobilisation structures to eventually replace President Museveni as party
leader and Head of State.
His sacking last week, insiders in the ruling NRM party and political watchers
in Kampala point out, was partly triggered by a statement he made while
flagging off a group to tour Rwanda, urging the youth to rise up, prepare
themselves to take over the leadership mantle and set the bar even higher.
“This was long overdue, it was only a matter of time,” said former minister in
Milton Obote and Museveni’s governments Aggrey Awori. “He is accused of
mobilising the youth.”
Makerere University don Mwabutsya Ndebesa, agrees that Mr Mbabazi was on his
way out and “it was long overdue because President Museveni is traditionally a
Marxist and also during his stay in Tanzania, he adopted socialism. These ideas
do not tolerate opposition.”
How Mr Mbabazi responds to the sacking, analysts say, will determine the
political future of both men and the political landscape in Uganda in the
run-up to the 2016 election.
Mr Mbabazi had the option of resigning from the position in April and avoid the
humiliation but he chose to stay, pointing to a determination that he was ready
to take on a man for whom he was alter ego for four decades.
According to Mr Awori, the president’s decision to sack Mr Mbabazi could give
the former premier time to concentrate on the party and entrench himself
further and popularise his ambition to contest.
Having worked as President Museveni’s close ally in charge of the country’s
security apparatus and different ministries, Mr Mbabazi has built both internal
and external networks, which could come in handy should he decide to challenge
President Museveni in the State House race.
“The network he has built over the years is enough to help him win the party
leadership,” said Mr Awori.
The first attempt to remove him from the position of secretary-general failed
in 2012, when during a National Executive Committee meeting, a gathering of
party leaders from across the country openly supported his quest to remain
party secretary general and others accused Museveni of double standards in
picking on Mr Mbabazi while other party officials served both in the party and
government.
At the height of the wrangles between President Museveni and Mr Mbabazi in
March, intelligence officials released transcripts of what they said was a
recording to prove that Mbabazi and his family were mobilising against the
party chairman.
Mr Mbabazi and his wife admitted mobilising support within the NRM party, but
said they had done so to counter unfair attempts to force the prime minister to
resign from his position as secretary-general.
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The intelligence agencies, including the Inspector General of Police, however
continued to raise red flag over the Mbabazis activities and networks, both
within and outside the country, especially among Chinese businesspeople and
with the Israeli security establishment.
Political watchers, however, say a confrontation with President Museveni could
be to Mr Mbabazi’s disadvantage.
Over the years, President Museveni has blocked attempts to investigate Mr
Mbabazi or simply stalled implementation of recommendations from investigations.
Already, parliament in its ongoing probe into alleged mismanagement of the
workers fund has reopened the investigation into the possibility of the former
premier having influenced the National Social Security Fund managers to buy his
piece of land at an exorbitant price.
There are also rumours that the Inspector General of Government could soon
re-open a case in which Mr Mbabazi is accused of having caused financial loss
to the government in procurement of security gadgets for Commonwealth Heads of
Government Meeting.
The pro-Museveni camp has three major constituencies: Fellow senior party
officials who see him as a political rival for any situation vacant; young
party officials who, in smelling the prime minister’s political blood, have
seen an opportunity to advance their own careers; and the “Musevenists” who
have vested personal interests in the status quo.
A number of historical and senior party members have accused the former
premier, some publicly and others quietly, of being behind the growing number
of independent, but NRM leaning MPs and the architect of their defeat at
elective politics especially in primaries given that Mr Mbabazi has been in
charge of the process.
Former vice president Prof Gilbert Bukenya and Justice and Constitutional
Affairs minister Maj Gen Kahinda Otafiire, who he defeated in the race for
secretary general 2010, are publicly critical of Mr Mbabazi.
Other historicals who fell out with the system before him, have accused Mr
Mbabazi of being behind their woes.
Political analysts point that the hard blows to Mr Mbabazi political career
will continue to come from the party Young Turks he has tutored like Eastern
Youth MP Peter Ogwang, Youth Minister Ronald Kibuule and Northern Uganda Youth
MP Evelyn Anite.
Ms Anite, backed by a group of youth formerly close to Mr Mbabazi, moved the
controversial proposal to endorse President Museveni as the sole NRM party
candidate in the 2016 election early this year. The U-turn by these youth
leaders is however seen more as political opportunism given the coming election.
The plan was, however, carefully orchestrated, outside the party structure,
leaving the pro-Mbabazi camp flat-footed.
Political watchers point out that the outcome of wrangle between the two, will
now depend on how Mr Mbabazi picks up the pieces. There is a quiet ongoing
purge of the former PM allies within government.
Sources say a cabinet reshuffle is due anytime and many pro-Mbabazi ministers
will be dropped.
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