WBK
True and one of the things YKM has managed to repair somewhat is the
economy and military discipline.
You remind me the old days when I was in Kenya as a refugee and we could sit
on an Akamba bus station, just to wait for a bus from Kampala, and all we
needed was to know how is Uganda !!!! That information was so vital to us
for some very unknown reason. And on every single morning you walked to that
bus park that I still see in my delusional dreams, were two answers. If you
spoke to someone from Mbale or Gulu or Kabale, Uganda is very good we wonder
why you guys do not come home, we had a dance in Mbale yesterday to say
farewell to me and we did not close the bar till 5am. And when you pushed
him further for more information, he would say, yes Uganda is good except a
little place called Luwero, there is NRA lead by Museveni and he is making
some skirmishes but the government is dealing with him, remember this is an
elected government and it has the authority to drive him out. That answer
was very uniform with everyone I have listed above. And to all of them for
now they are dead God bless their poor soul, lived in Mbale and the rest of
Uganda never mattered till when Muntonyera torched all of them in train
wagons as God damn Rabbits.
And to tell you the truth they were not lying. That is what they knew for
Ugandans define the national situation based on where they shit. And I
remind you the millions of times I was asked why I bothered about camping
Acholis. EM you are a Muganda do not worry about Acholis if they are being
raped. Yes I so cared about them for they are a part of Uganda they are
Ugandans and Acholis have every right to live free. And yes in your little
cocooned village in Buganda UNLA has a very displined soldiers thanks to
Museveni. One of the reasons I knell on my knees and pray God to deliver the
coming civil war early, is because after we burry 15 million Ugandans, the
remainder will start to question if this kid has had lunch. Even though he
is a Muganda kid and the one asking is a Muhororo.
God we seriously need a civil war to wake up these people. Amen !!!!
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in
anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni
katika machafuko"
From: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of WB
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 12:24 PM
To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: {UAH} The J-Curve effect of YKM on Uganda's politics
Mr. Nekyon:
You lived with some of these people in TZ so you know them better in some
ways that we do. They must have been relative deprived so imagine all of a
sudden to get rich beyond their wildest imaginations. As Mr. Barigye ahs
noted Kenyans invested in tangible brick and mortar properties that employed
many wanainchi. You could make the case that some of the glittering
shopping malls in Uganda owned by the political elite serve a similar role.
However, it is likely most of the looted money is chilling in Swiss or as I
have been told Malaysia banks.
Now you gave credit to YKM in away that today the economy is more
integrated. True and one of the things YKM has managed to repair somewhat is
the economy and military discipline. But he has failed the political test
which ironically is what he claims he went to the bush to fight for. No
change !
Now he is an interesting narrative that may sound counter intuitive to many.
You know Mr. Moi to had two sons in the army. One rose to the rank of major
and retired to go full time in business. The other one too retired at a
lower rank and went into business. So when Mr. Moi handed over power, the
incoming regime knew that Mr. Moi would not be a constant threaten to their
regime in any serious form That is why Mr. Kibaki resisted the push to go
after Mr. Moi's ill-gotten wealth.
YKM can actually deflate the political temperature in Uganda with a stroke
of the pen. Promote MK to major-general and retire him from the army. Look
at Salim Saleh, was he not more popular and apparently brave than MK? Is not
general Salim Saleh still popular with the masses his katebe role
notwithstanding?
YKM's legacy would be safeguarded with a stroke of the pen. Why? It would
address some of the unknowns and fears that he is grooming his son to take
over power after him. Believe me as long as that uncertainty is in place,
things could get very ugly. Why do you think General Sejusa is in exile in
London? Why do you think YKM is humiliating Mr. Mbabazi calling him NRM
hater. Really? What do you think is going on in these people's minds?
Revenge or forgiveness?
So to paraphrase the Bible, John to be exact, does YKM love Uganda so much
that he is willing to sacrifice his ONLY son? The answer to this question
will determine how Uganda turns out in the post YKM era. It could burn or
as you believe surprise many by following in the footsteps on YKM. Again
sounds nyayolike. You have to give it to Mr. Moi. His political smarts were
excellent. Can you say the same about YKM?
WBK
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 08:55:59 -0400
Subject: Re: {UAH} The J-Curve effect of YKM on Uganda's politics
From: ocennek...@gmail.com <mailto:ocennek...@gmail.com>
To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
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Ladit Ocaya;
Ladit Barigye is a good guy.
Ocen
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From: 'Ocaya Mike pOcure' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 08:09
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Subject: SV: {UAH} The J-Curve effect of YKM on Uganda's politics
Omina OCEN,
The BARIGYES of this world are just thinking only of their own by blood but
not on political nationalism hence the reason they protected their NRA/M7ism
regime on the non-stop basis.
Just think or look, when OLARA Otunnu brought the issue of boycott of the
2011 general elections, it was none other than BESIGYE who stated since
OLARA Otunnu had no military qualification he (OLARA Otunnu) must shut-up
because, he (BESIGYE) had that required CV to remove the NRA/M7ism regime.
The rest they say is history. Again do not forget the thieving spree of the
NRA/M7ism leaderships which Ndugu BARIGYE does not want us to talk about it.
This is quite near to the doctrine of the infamous 'Cattle keepers' who
thinks every four legged things on earth are only owned by them, which even
include the Uganda politics!
Ocaya pOcure
Den söndag, 28 september 2014 5:52 skrev "ocennek...@gmail.com
<mailto:ocennek...@gmail.com> " <ocennek...@gmail.com
<mailto:ocennek...@gmail.com> >:
Ndugu Allan;
You may be right since we are all speculating, but $50 Million is still $50
Million irrespective of how it was acquired.
Those very 'Wananchi' you are expecting to be 'Fed Up,' may disappoint you.
Those 'Wananchi' celebrate the wealth of those very people who stole the
funds meant for Hospitals, Schools and Roads and Northern Reconstruction.
Ocen
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From: Allan
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 20:50
To: ug at
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Subject: Re: {UAH} The J-Curve effect of YKM on Uganda's politics
Ndugu Ocen,
They may never be able to handle things considering the complexity involved
in acquiring obscene wealth and how they eventually despensed it to create
more wealth. That's the part they missed.
You see ,other than real estates ,there is nothing substantial to show. In
Kenya those who acquired that kind wealth in a similar manner invested it in
income generating investments employing millions of Kenyans.
For example Kutesa is probably worth $50 million. What does he produce?
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On Sep 27, 2014 8:13 PM, "Moses Ocen Nekyon" <musa...@gmail.com <https://> >
wrote:
Ndugu Allan;
It may all depend on how those 5% "handle" things?
Ocen
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From: Allan
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 19:48
To: ug at
Reply To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com <https://>
Subject: Re: {UAH} The J-Curve effect of YKM on Uganda's politics
Wapi!
90% of almost economic interests is owned by 5% AND in Kampala.
Unlike Kenya where such investments where spread out ie kisumu, mombasa,
eldoret nakuru, Nairobi, etc.
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On Sep 27, 2014 7:10 PM, "Moses Ocen Nekyon" <musa...@gmail.com <https://> >
wrote:
WBK;
I actually think that things will not be as bad as many of you are
predicting.
My reasons are:
1) Unlike the 70's and 80's Ugandans have a lot more to lose in regards to
property and other investments.
Back in the day a man could say "I am going to the bush," simply because the
economic cost to him and his immediate family were a lot lower than today;
2) As a result of the above: major interest groups have emerged in Real
Estate, Agro-Business, Education and Telecommunications just to name a few.
Turbulence during political transitions definitely will not serve their
interests in short or long term.
Considering that most the major players straddle all the facets of the
politica, economic and military strata; it will force them to 'Horse trade,'
power distribution;
3) Kenya is a good example of what I am talking about in that 'Political
Power Houses,' are also economic ones. The Kenyatta's Odinga's,
Kibaki's,Njonjo's and the Moi's are good example of how one House does not
touch the others economic interests.
Ocen
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From: WB
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Subject: {UAH} The J-Curve effect of YKM on Uganda's politics
Folks:
YKM 's actions have set Uganda on the equivalence of a J-curve effect,
which refers to the negative impact of currency devaluation on the economy.
In the short run, the economy deteriorates before picking up in the long
run. That is what Ugandans should expect to see for the remainder of YKM
rule. Things will get really bad , ugly and violent.
Consequently, politics and the overall welfare of Ugandans will worsen as
YKM tries to shower up his loyalists whose motivation is not the good of the
country, but their stomachs.
So the big question is this: how short will be the short run? The long run
obviously refers to a post YKM Uganda. As has been said in UAH over and
over in the immediate aftermath of YKM, things will not could get really
ugly -read violent-before they get better.
In a nutshell YKM's legacy for Uganda, will ironically, be more, and not
less violence. In the end all politics ends up in failure. YKM and all
those allies he is now falling out claim they fought so Ugandans can have a
better future. Well his actions point to the exact opposite: more violent!
Newton three in action.
WBK
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