Rajab Ali
But I think we need to as well grow up and learn to let some comments pass by
and that is what I have many times done, for some of them are plain stupid, and
here are two examples. George Okello said that he asked Oyite Ojoke to murder
Bazilio Okello. I am not questioning the statement but I wonder how George
looked stupid in front of Oyite because Oyite Ojoke and Bazillio had a very
long relationship from the war zone and they respected each other more than
Okello understood. It is very understandable how intelligent Oyite was and how
he handled that affair. That is a silliness I would have left unmentioned in a
public forum this large for many members here know the history of the two men.
There is no way on God's green grass that Oyite Ojoke would murder Bazillio for
George Okello that was a mere student in Kampala has advised him to do so.
Secondly, when you look on the numbers of crime in this city, we are dropping
and very low. We used to have a police shooting almost every week end, what
happened actually is that many Somalis left the city ad went to Alberta, or
Ottawa, and why Ottawa? Because it is near the Montreal mafia. The last Police
shooting we had in this city was on July 31 2013 and the victim was Sammy Yatim
who was shot in a street car by Police. Since July last year we have not got a
single police shooting. That is a development in a city this size. But we get
some murders from here to there due to criminals knifing each other, but to
define Toronto as a cease pool of crime, is pure nonsense for some of us follow
the numbers. I can as well state that small as Ottawa is they have a very high
crime rate, why can't Gwokto raise that? Our company has offered me a transfer
to Ottawa three times and the third time I was getting a hefty raise too, I
cannot live in Ottawa due to the high rate of crime and shooting. Just
yesterday on boxing day when all Grand Mas are shopping there was a shooting in
an Ottawa mall, I saw that on my screen. In Ottawa they can investigate 3
murders a week. In fact I go in and leave for it is a very violent city. In
Ottawa it is not only criminals shooting each other but Police Officers blow
their heads off as well, I was on Bank street the other day and a Police
Officer blew his head off just a few blocks from where I was. But you see it
is a custom always of Acholi to worry so much about other people's lives than
their very own, a very reason Acholi land has failed to develop for they worry
so much about Kampala than their home.
But having stated all that, there is a point that George Okello and Gwokto are
making that is true, I am not an intelligent man for I live in a poor
community, intelligence is measured by where you live, and how organized is
your home. I hand them that hands down for it is a very good council. Which
makes me turn around and look to you as Ugandans in your naked eyes. Have you
ever gone for a tour in Acholi land? 80% of the population sleep on the ground
for beds simply never fit into those circled thatched houses. In many homes I
visited, men women children Goats chicken and God man Pigs all parade in a
common area and the sleep starts. An Acholi kid is lucky if he gets a piece of
kadebedo to cover him self as a bed sheet. The father screws the first wife and
then he has to jump 40 kids to acces the second and third wife for a conjugal
manajatwa. If Acholi live that way, how the heck did you decide to allow them
to lead our country intelligently? How did you expect them to be good
commanders when they sleep mixed with God damn Goats? I am on George Okello and
Gwokto side on this one, intelligence is awarded based on where you live and
how you establish your family structure but how you build your village. Now
tell me this, how naive were you when you decided to offer Olara Otunnu a
leadership of UPC when he has no land, he has no wife, he has no children and
he has no house in Uganda? You all as Ugandans made a bad decision to let such
people lead our country and that is why it has failed, and I am calling on
George Okello and Gwokto to the stand as my very first witnesses.
We need to take their council seriously and use it in Uganda before an Acholi
gets a government job.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
-----Original Message-----
From: Rajab Ali [mailto:raj62...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 7:11 AM
To: George Okello
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Subject: Re: {UAH} Proposals for Uganda�fs post-NRM transitional government
Villager! You are not the only one who loves "to read the thug." George Okello
too does.
George Okello! I think you have just flogged shit. And you will soon realize
that it wasn't a waste of time.
Sent from my iPhone
On 27 Dec 2014, at 11:50, George Okello <opal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Villager,
>
> I am not really surprised by the garbage that Rajab Ali has spewed
> here. He must be one or two on this forum who are taken in by Edward
> Mulindwa's politics of hatred. I think your response to Mr Ali is
> succinct so I will add no more. The Lango have a proverb that says "
> Never Flog Shit", meaning that there is no point in doing so, it is a
> waste of time.
>
> George Okello
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Joseph Kamugisha <jokar...@hotmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 02:29:43 +0000
> Subject: RE: {UAH} Proposals for Uganda’s post-NRM transitional
> government
> To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
> Cc: ugandanet@kym.net, uganda...@yahoogroups.com
>
> Kalibulimba Mulindwa: Your hateful venomous attacks are only good in
> the eyes of your cheerleaders. Your hatefulness heart coupled with
> ignorance and stupidity cannot even allow you to notice that Okello
> Oryem, one of the Acholi's that you hate, is more educated than all
> your clan members put together, that is if you have any. And guess
> what? His father is Okello Lutwa! If the Acholi are lazy as you would
> want your cheerleaders to believe, what has made you to turn yourself
> into a society burden in your host country Canada? The ramshackled
> government apartments which you call home, where rats and all kinds of
> crime are part of your neighborhood, is that the best environment you
> want to raise your family in? I understand your daughter died of some
> strange disease, are not to blame for having failed to provide a safe
> environment for your late daughter? Discuss issues not isolationism.
> Kamugisha
>
> From: mulin...@look.ca
> To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
> CC: ugandanet@kym.net; uganda...@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: {UAH} Proposals for Uganda’s post-NRM transitional government
> Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 18:28:50 -0500
>
> Eric Kashambuzi There are other important facts you need to include in
> the solution you are writing. May be what we actually need in Uganda
> is the true politics of exclusion, and here me out kindly. I have
> spent a whole month going about the problem we have in Uganda of
> Acholi with violence, but as I continue with that sector of
> population, Ugandans must be built on using their hands and finding an
> income than being lazy bums. And here are a good examples, Acholi men
> are very lazy people, go up North and you will wonder at the amount of
> alcohol they drink, it is simply unbelievable to a point that women
> are complaining for men come home and are unable to sexually function.
> A very high percentage of Acholi are actually drunkards. They thus
> depend on militarism and violence. In as much as I want to raise their
> violence so that we understand how to deal with it, we need to start
> to educate them that a Ugandan can survive in Uganda without being in
> the army and without violence, looting public property and raping
> Uganda women. They have been included in all Uganda politics right
> from before independence, how has that done for them? What makes you
> believe that if we include them today, they will change? Who excluded
> them during the Tito Okello government? It was their very own
> government, and what did they do? They became drunkard rouges holding
> guns and raping women but looting public property. I have just thrown
> out your entire inclusion solution. Actually Uganda’s most brutal men
> as Tito Okello and John Ogole inflicted massive pain to Ugandans after
> they actually got included into the politics. Let me hand you a second
> example of lazy bums in Uganda. They are actually Karamojong. These
> friends had a problem in their land and many decided to show up in
> Kampala, they got a good start for when you arrive into Kampala surely
> you can get a job and earn an income. Karamojong have decided to get
> absorbed into Kampala but remain lazy and do not want to work. Again
> as Acholi Karamojong have started to be the best drunkards, the best
> wife abusers and the best baby manufacturers. So he show up on Kampala
> road, he lives in a shanty home under a tree, but his wife is always
> pregnant. Many homeless children in Kampala are actually Karamojong.
> Now watch as they remain in Kampala and in Buganda you are going to
> start finding a huge number of them registered into the army and
> Police, for they do not care to die, but as Acholi they love good
> things through looting, and they love beautiful Baganda women that
> they can so rape. How will the politics of inclusion help these
> Ugandans? Let me hand you a third example of people that have changed.
> Did you know that we all grew up in Buganda with Rwandese as laborers?
> A Rwandese never asked for so much, just a permission to build a
> Kasisira near the pit latrine and he lived into that for years and
> years working on every garden on the village. That was the best
> expectation from a Rwandese. Well guess what they have changed, that
> today we are competing with them in applying for jobs, and we are
> competing with them, in trade and investments and businesses. Rwandese
> have stopped to be the official Uganda casual laborers, we are very
> equal partners. Thy have built permanent homes which you never saw in
> the 60’s. They’re taking their kids to good schools and they are
> paying for the school fees which again you never saw in the sixties. A
> Rwandese kid as Kagame went to school for my father was paying poll
> tax. Before you push the politics of inclusion in Uganda, your larger
> problem today is to change Acholi and Karamojong from being lazy bums
> that produce liters of babies, and become productive Rwandese. As
> generations go by, Rwandese are going to become tired of politics and
> worry about their investments, why do you think they are not going
> after Museveni today? And guess who are planning to attack Museveni
> militarily? George Okello. What investment does he have in Uganda any
> ways? The ministry of finance for it collects the taxes from every
> Ugandan and piles it up into bank of Uganda. He needs the God damn
> firkin key of the bank. We better get our act together and start
> discussing Uganda’s problem candidly. EMOn the 49th Parallel
> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri
> Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na
> Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
> machafuko" On Dec 25, 2014 8:45 AM, "Eric Kashambuzi"
> <kashambuzie...@gmail.com> wrote: The politics of exclusion and
> winner-take-all (zero sum-game) has not worked well in Uganda since
> independence in 1962 and in many other developing countries. Political
> exclusion has constrained access to economic resources and social
> services by those in the opposition leading to inequalities and
> consequent conflicts. This matter of political exclusion has been
> taken up at the United Nations negotiations for the post-2015
> development agenda. Goal 16 of the 17 Sustainable Development Goals
> (SDGs) calls for peaceful and inclusive societies, rule of law, good
> governance and respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It
> will form an integral part of the development agenda from 2016 to
> 2030. In Uganda there is general consensus that the politics of
> exclusion should be replaced by an appropriate arrangement in the
> post-NRM period. The current model also has concentrated power in the
> presidency and at the center at the expense of regions which has come
> under severe scrutiny because it has undermined the principles of
> separation of powers among the legislative, executive and judicial
> branches of government and the associated checks and balances and
> federalism respectively. During consultations for the 1995
> constitution, the majority of Ugandans called for a federal system of
> government but was excluded from the constitution.The idea of an all
> inclusive transitional government as a replacement of the politics of
> exclusion was discussed by Ugandans at the July 2011 Los Angeles
> conference that created United Democratic Ugandans (UDU). Mubiru
> Musoke was elected chairperson to cover principally constitutional
> matters. Eric Kashambuzi was elected Secretary-General with mandate
> that included diplomatic networking and civic education and matters
> related to transitional government and proportional representation.
> The transitional government that has the following proposed
> characteristics and functions has enjoyed considerable support among
> Ugandans at home and abroad.1. The transitional government should
> be inclusive of all stakeholders including NRM so that no one is left
> behind;
> 2. It should be led by a presidential team so that each region is
> represented. Currently some regions are complaining that they have
> been excluded from the highest office in the land. Members of the team
> should be selected on the basis of agreed upon criteria which must
> include impeccable character, sufficient knowledge and experience to
> understand the intricacies of domestic and international politics and
> economics. They must not participate in the next elections as they
> would have the advantage of incumbency over other candidates.
> (Following the death of Stalin of the Soviet Union, a three-person
> team was appointed to run the affairs of state at that difficult
> moment and subsequently replaced by Khruschev, a non-member of the
> team). The chair of the team should rotate among the members;
> 3. During the transitional period whose duration should be based
> on the tasks to be undertaken should not make major changes in the
> civil service (civil service which is apolitical serves every
> government in power).
> 4. Besides the day-to-day management of state affairs, the
> transitional government should strengthen the capacity of
> institutions. To avoid sectarianism which has plagued the civil
> service, a team of public service commissioners should be appointed
> with each region represented. Furthermore, security forces should be
> managed by the chairperson of the Joint Chiefs of Staff instead of one
> military official;
> 5. It should conduct a comprehensive population census to know
> exactly who we are and how many not only for political but more
> significantly for development purposes;
> 6. It should organize a national convention of all stakeholders to
> debate and make recommendations about how Ugandans want to be
> governed.
> 7. The transitional government should then organize free and fair
> multi-party elections.
> 8. To avoid protracted debate over which constitution – 1962, 1967
> or 1995 – to use, the government should be governed by a charter.
> We call upon all Ugandans at home and in the Diaspora to comment on
> these proposals – in line with the principles of transparency,
> participation, ownership and accountability. Merry Christmas and a
> Happy New Year to you allEric KashambuziDecember 25, 2014-- UAH forum
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