John Nsubuga
The reports of atrocities I got out of West Nile were simply too appealing to
make the Acholi violence a top burner issue sir. We simply cannot keep it under
the carpet any longer and we will discuss it till when we all stand up as
Ugandans and go after it.
It has grown to reach the Luwero salient because we have always protected it
and that protection has expired.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
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Edward Mulindwa,
But what happened? you used to vehemently defend the same Acholis you're after
today, even where common sense dictated otherwise. Why the change of heart
today?
J.N Munyoganda
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Jim Muwanga
My writing is about Luwero and West Nile and what Acholis did in those regions.
I will remain into those regions and on what Acholis did in them as I so
continue before Edward Pojim rudely interrupted me with his troubled conscious.
Good morning.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
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EM
u wrote
"Women were raped by Baganda and Westerners to no end. In fact in Burcoro we
have even girls that were taken into forced marriage into Kampala."
Please show us or any journalist like chimprop ps. show us these women who were
forced into marriage by Baganda or westerners. ( I say this because Bantu
culture does not allow this)
Women who were raped please post them here or their reports including the names
of the men who did it. So that their families and the people get to know what
they did and so that Justice is done.
EM I really doubt what you wrote ps prove.
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Rape, rape, there is no justification
for it. Why is it a Baganda issue all of a sudden, please don't confuse the
issue I have no idea when Baganda went up north to loot and do what has been
done to us I pray for peace but the north can not blame Buganda for violence.
Baganda have put up with all this foolishness for a long time but this need to
stop.
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Subject: {UAH} AS ACHOLIS CONTINUE TO DENY THE ATTROCITIES OF LUWERO DISTRICT.
Edward Pojim
No actually this is not nonsensical obsession {If that is what you meant} and
pure tribal hatred, these are the hard facts that we as Ugandans have lived
under. We live in our very little villages and we protect them as such. I asked
that question for as the thread of raping Uganda women in Uganda continues,
there are facts that are becoming very clear, and I will list them. The
statement you made is not my problem it is yours and your conscious, , but it
is an indication of the anger among Ugandans and especially non Baganda
towards what has happened in Uganda especially under the Movement. Only that
you had the balls to address it and very publicly. To you raping a Muganda
woman is a non-issue as to many non Baganda, as raping non Baganda is a
nonissue to many Baganda. And I will quote a statement made by my friend
Matek and I quote “Yes cutting the vaginas of raped women with boyonets is
indeed an act of war as is Yoweri Museveni’s UPDF . putting their dicks as in
F^&% Ki%^% anaus of Acholi men infront of their wives is an act of war.“
-Matek Opok. Read that sentence and understand the problem we have in our
country of anger standing out there, for I have been with Matek in these
forums, but do you know what we have never discussed? Is raping women for all
of you wackos leave it out there, and you do not want to talk about it, for
you solve it by going after each other’s women and men and daughters. I decided
to raise it, but here is the problem I have in raising it, those of you that
have been quite about it all along, instead of standing up and we go after it,
you are justifying it because you believe that revenge is its only solution.
I have spent a huge amount of time on women being raped in Luwero by Acholis,
but I want to take a moment and ask you a simple question, have you ever
followed what happened in Northern Uganda? And I need you to look at a place
like Burcoro because I have collected a very enormous reports on the
devastation that was thrown at the population on that locale. Women were raped
by Baganda and Westerners to no end. In fact in Burcoro we have even girls that
were taken into forced marriage into Kampala. And as this phase of going after
the rapping of women in Uganda continues those will be listed as well, only
problem is that when I reach on Burcoro you will clap your hands because it is
a justified complaint, but when I go after the rapes in Luwero that is hate.
Name sake take a time and read about Burcoro you will puke. It so frustrates
that when these atrocities get raised up among our people we all crumble into
tribal and hate, and no we cannot discuss this or that for rape is justified
and Baganda men are sexually weak.
Now let me say this as well, in as much as these rapes are taking place in the
country, I am not in Uganda and all my entire family is outside, most possibly
yours is inside, so you can fuck each other for revenge all you so can, but my
conscious stands that I need to do what is right and make this problem public,
and if it is to be done single handedly so will I. But I get so concerned when
George Okello stands in a public forum to state that he is organizing a
military takeover of Uganda government, for friends like you think that he
wants to take power in Uganda to build a democratic government, when what he
actually needs is to arm Northerners so that they go south to commit a massive
rape revenge for the rapes that have happened in Northern Uganda. At the rate
Ugandans are raping each other, we are just about to get a government into
power for it will empower a region to rape another one.
Your statement that Baganda are sexually weak, feeds exactly into that future
Uganda, and all I can say is good luck to your endeavors sir.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
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Mr. Mulindwa;
Keep me out of your nonsensical obsession that is pure tribal hatred.
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Matek
My next question is why then is Edward Pojim stating that Luwero women were
raped by Acholis for Baganda men are sexually weak? And I am just trying to get
my hand on why rape is in Uganda, is it because it is an act of war or it is
because Baganda men are sexually weak?
And I am finding the two very complex to be compatible sir.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
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Subject: Re: [UGANDACOM] AS ACHOLIS CONTINUE TO DENY THE ATTROCITIES OF LUWERO
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Yes cutting the vaginas of raped women with boyonets is indeed an act of war as
is Yoweri museveni's UPDF . putting their dicks as in F^&% Ki%^% anaus of
Acholi men infront of their wives is an act of war.
. what is you next question?
Matek
Matek
Is cutting the vaginas of raped women with bayonets also an act of war? Just
that I understand this argument.
EM
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 7:19 PM, 'Herrn Edward Mulindwa' mulin...@look.ca
<mailto:mulin...@look.ca> [UGANDACOM] <uganda...@yahoogroups.com
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Matek
Is cutting the vaginas of raped women with bayonets also an act of war? Just
that I understand this argument.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
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<mailto:uganda...@yahoogroups.com> uganda...@yahoogroups.com]
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Subject: Re: [UGANDACOM] AS ACHOLIS CONTINUE TO DENY THE ATTROCITIES OF LUWERO
DISTRICT.
Rape does not come naturally with war, how many women were raped in the war of
1979 in areas that were controlled by Uganda government? That is an Acholi
belief sir.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
I will answer you as follows: How many women/men were raped in Northern Uganda
in areas controlled by NRMO/ UPDF ?
Second: prove too me otherwise that all throught out the history of war all
over the world, Rape is not a consequence of WAR.
many women were raped in Indo China during the Vietnam war ..that rape was as a
result of war waged by the US on Vietnam people.
many women continue to be rapped as a result of wars in DRC Congo promoted by
Kagame and Museveni.
Rape may friend goes hand in hand with war. Show me a war, i will shiow you the
rape of women. Indeed Boko Haram in Nigeria is raping woem left right and
center.. small children are killed. If you claim a war is JUSTIFIED you
automatically believe that the rape of women, the killing of children, is
JUSTIFIED!!~
Matek
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 5:08 PM, 'Herrn Edward Mulindwa' mulin...@look.ca
<mailto:mulin...@look.ca> [UGANDACOM] <uganda...@yahoogroups.com
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Matek
Rape does not come naturally with war, how many women were raped in the war of
1979 in areas that were controlled by Uganda government? That is an Acholi
belief sir.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
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<mailto:uganda...@yahoogroups.com> uganda...@yahoogroups.com]
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EM :
You fellow ganda,Mmwami Abbey Ssemuwemba, said the Luwero was JUSTIFIED.
Which implied that the Raping , The killings, the torture in Luwero which
natuarly comes with or as a result of wars, was equally JUSTIFIED..
What then is you beef?
For me I do not understand yoo..
You cannot claim the war or a war is justified, at the some time you complain
about the consequencies of such war...can you..? makes no logical sense!!
Matek
“The Luwero Triangle -Uganda's 'Killing Fields' A few hundred yards from the
Church of Uganda mission hospital in Kiwoko stands a simple memorial. It marks
the mass grave of 372 people killed by government soldiers in 1985. That
atrocity was one of many perpetrated during the bush war in the Luwero Triangle
in the 1980s. These people were summarily shot, accused of sheltering members
of Yoweri Museveni's National Resistance Army. In a poignant moment our Ugandan
guides open the cover and we peer down into the darkness at a pile of skulls.
'Were any of these people your relatives?' we ask. All four of them nod
silently. Luwero, Uganda's 'Killing Fields', was a byword for violence and
inhumanity. In the wake of the bush war it was almost depopulated. Now the
people are returning and Kiwoko Hospital, founded at the end of the war, is one
of the signs of hope in the area. It began as a simple local clinic. Under the
energetic leadership of Dr Ian Clarke of Church Mission Society, Ireland, it
grew into a major hospital, offering a full range of services including a
commitment to community based healthcare.” –John Martin {Associate Editor
Triple Helix}
A quote from his report in The British Christian Medical Fellowship
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 9:08 AM, 'Herrn Edward Mulindwa' mulin...@look.ca
<mailto:mulin...@look.ca> [UGANDACOM] <uganda...@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:uganda...@yahoogroups.com> > wrote:
“The Luwero Triangle -Uganda's 'Killing Fields' A few hundred yards from the
Church of Uganda mission hospital in Kiwoko stands a simple memorial. It marks
the mass grave of 372 people killed by government soldiers in 1985. That
atrocity was one of many perpetrated during the bush war in the Luwero Triangle
in the 1980s. These people were summarily shot, accused of sheltering members
of Yoweri Museveni's National Resistance Army. In a poignant moment our Ugandan
guides open the cover and we peer down into the darkness at a pile of skulls.
'Were any of these people your relatives?' we ask. All four of them nod
silently. Luwero, Uganda's 'Killing Fields', was a byword for violence and
inhumanity. In the wake of the bush war it was almost depopulated. Now the
people are returning and Kiwoko Hospital, founded at the end of the war, is one
of the signs of hope in the area. It began as a simple local clinic. Under the
energetic leadership of Dr Ian Clarke of Church Mission Society, Ireland, it
grew into a major hospital, offering a full range of services including a
commitment to community based healthcare.” –John Martin {Associate Editor
Triple Helix}
A quote from his report in The British Christian Medical Fellowship.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
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"Even if Joseph Kony was killed, that would not necessarily be the end of the
war in northern Uganda because Kony is no more than a ‘ spiritual’ leader of
the LRA. This quick fix, arm-chair solution seemed to be from the Kampala-based
‘opinion leaders’ who only know the war through newspapers".
" Until the legitimate grievances and the marginalization of northern Uganda’s
communities are addressed, LRA fighters remain a possible vehicle for the
expression of northerners’ frustrations".
"Kony may never sign a peace agreement. Whether or not he signs, however, is
less relevant to avoiding new conflict in northern Uganda than ending
marginalization policies and fulfilling promises by the Ugandan government."
--
This is a quote:
"Even if Joseph Kony was killed, that would not necessarily be the end of the
war in northern Uganda because Kony is no more than a ‘ spiritual’ leader of
the LRA. This quick fix, arm-chair solution seemed to be from the Kampala-based
‘opinion leaders’ who only know the war through newspapers".
" Until the legitimate grievances and the marginalization of northern Uganda’s
communities are addressed, LRA fighters remain a possible vehicle for the
expression of northerners’ frustrations".
"Kony may never sign a peace agreement. Whether or not he signs, however, is
less relevant to avoiding new conflict in northern Uganda than ending
marginalization policies and fulfilling promises by the Ugandan government."
--
This is a quote:
"Even if Joseph Kony was killed, that would not necessarily be the end of the
war in northern Uganda because Kony is no more than a ‘ spiritual’ leader of
the LRA. This quick fix, arm-chair solution seemed to be from the Kampala-based
‘opinion leaders’ who only know the war through newspapers".
" Until the legitimate grievances and the marginalization of northern Uganda’s
communities are addressed, LRA fighters remain a possible vehicle for the
expression of northerners’ frustrations".
"Kony may never sign a peace agreement. Whether or not he signs, however, is
less relevant to avoiding new conflict in northern Uganda than ending
marginalization policies and fulfilling promises by the Ugandan government."
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