Now this is too low even for me to respond to.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
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Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 2:07 PM
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Subject: Re: {UAH} GEORGE OKELLO NOW YOU HAVE MAIL. Ge’ez
FN,
What did you want them to innovate? And what have other mathematicians
innovated, and how many have done so in the world? I have taught mathematics
and physics; some of my students became engineers, doctors, accountants,
teachers, pilots, surveys, priests etc. I have engaged people in rational
thinking, which is a good attribute in society. They serve society in many ways
including being able to calculate the cost of products, to get correct balance
after spending some money. Recall Major Charles Okidi, the pilot whose plane
survived a crash in Kenya en-route to Somalia? He made good use of my physics
and mathematics, he was my student twice! And he was a good student.
FN, we are not saying to be a mathematician, you must invent or innovate much
as that would be very good but society benefits from knowledge of science of
which mathematics is the mother of all. And mathematicians are rational
thinkers.
You might want to look at all disciplines such as law, or political science.
What laws have lawyers invented? Don't we need the services of lawyers? Look at
your own field, what have you added to society since you became what you are?
Peter Simon
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Subject: Re: {UAH} GEORGE OKELLO NOW YOU HAVE MAIL. Ge’ez
Simon, what have these mathematicians innovated for us? The point is they do
sit in class and teach or be taught but nothing to prove their being there.
FN
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Subject: Re: {UAH} GEORGE OKELLO NOW YOU HAVE MAIL. Ge’ez
Edward Mulindwa,
You state that Uganda does not produce scientists such as mathematicians,
really? I hope you friend Pitosi (prof.) does not hear you because that would
be a direct abuse to him, a graduate of math/physics and a teacher of the same.
The reason you may not know many mathematicians in Uganda is simply because you
do not know much about education system in Uganda! FYI, math is a compulsory
subject in elementary and O-level and so many go for it at higher levels.
Almost all students who go for science education (math/physics), engineering,
medicine (human/animal), computer studies, statistics, accountancy, survey,
architecture etc are mathematicians! And do you know how many government
-aided secondary schools are there in Uganda? Just take a conservative number
of two math teachers per school for argument's sake, multiply by the number of
schools, that will give you the number of people who have dedicated their time
to teaching math. And you still say Uganda has no mathematicians?
As I said sometime back, education enables us to know when to stop if your
level of competence is wanting and let those competent enough to handle the
issue. In any profession, employees are advised to refer their clients to more
competent persons not to try to assist when you are less competent. That is why
I allow Dr. Owor and Dr. Kayongo to tell me about medicine, because they know
more than me; the best I can do is to be their patient; when it comes to law, I
allow Okello George to defend me because I am not a trained lawyer. I would do
the same for you if I knew your line of training, but there is no point of
talking with authority something you are less equipped with, you end up
spreading rumours and falsehoods!
Peter Simon
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Subject: {UAH} GEORGE OKELLO NOW YOU HAVE MAIL. Ge’ez
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{}-->Strangely only 1% of Ugandans are educated well enough to understand the
world in its totality. 2% understands half of it. 97% only went to school to
learn and use the Queen's English effectively. Had the 97% learned more than
just the use of good English, Uganda would have stopped to exist more than 30
years ago. What has kept a piece of land we call Uganda today, are the peasants
the ones the Queen's English speakers refer to as illiterate. Unfortunately, in
the case of Luweero, John Ogole terrorized them so much, that they had to join
Museveni's senseless war. In the case of West Nile, UNLA did the same thing
that they had to stop feeding Uganda. Dr. Kipenji, let us not be emotional and
abusive when discussing education and its contribution to the country. It is
negative or positive. The majority if they are honest, would say, education in
its past and present form has let Uganda down. The evidence is obvious here on
UAH. examine the quality of contribution by the so-called elite and you shake
your head. Had newspapers such monitor not existed, they would have nothing to
recycle, because all the do is to copy and paste what that paper has published.
I was actually surprised that Abbey one time accused monitor of using material
posted on UAH. As a matter of fact, it is the monitor which should be
concerned. Of course, Dr. Kipenji, I know your standard response: "What does EM
know to talk about education". I have no problem with that, after all, I am
used to it as do not expect a change of tone. "abatasoma tebalina" any
contribution to Uganda, and yet they are the backbone of the country, people we
should earned our utmost respect, for the are the ones who have kept Uganda
alive through Amin's, Obote's and now Museveni's tragic political environment.
If you are still a church goer, these are the people you should be praying for.
They are honest but genuine.EMOn the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko" From: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
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Subject: Re: {UAH} GEORGE OKELLO NOW YOU HAVE MAIL. Ge’ez Methinks you have
missed the gist of your own self initiated discussion as you call it.You can
not spew mis-et dis-informations on a subject you appear to be least coversant
with and then turn around to hide in your usual confabulations about UPC
tactics.The truth is Science subjects were taught in all schools throughout
Uganda before IdiAmin your hero came to be.If I may ask,is there any difference
between you who lionizes Amin and those who lionizeAdolf Hitler?Though of the
garb of critical thinking that you claim to be do ot act unconscionably like
youdo unless as I have wondered aloud,you go be under a spell of something that
would be of valuemaking us aware of so that we let you be.A lie told a trillion
times only becomes a trillion lies never a fact.Kipenji From: Herrn Edward
Mulindwa <mulin...@look.ca <mailto:mulin...@look.ca> >
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Sent: Saturday, 7 February 2015, 18:45
Subject: RE: {UAH} GEORGE OKELLO NOW YOU HAVE MAIL. Ge’ez Dr Owori Kipenji
This discussion is about teaching Uganda kids arts or science subjects. You are
a member of the party that has been running this very terrible educational
system in our country for ion years, at this point one would suffice to believe
that the victims befallen by it get a chance to debate it and how it has served
them. May be you need to give them a chance. And on I am sniffing on something
to post what I believed into, Is a bullying language of UPC that some of us
have decided to go after head on. You see the moment anyone states anything
wrong about the party, the responses we get is you were in state research and
we know you, we are saying you will be deported and you are sniffing crack, we
wish you go to Uganda and we put a bullet in you or we will smoke you out. All
those are UPC terminologies in violence so I am used. The violence that the
party used Acholi as attack Dogs. It Is so complex to hold sensible discussions
with UPC members to a point that I had a discussion last night with one of
them, that advised me to stop defining Konny as a violent man. And her
explanation was very simply, Edward Konny is not a violent man, his hands yes
may be but himself is a very good and soft man you only need to understand, and
you know if you call him violent in a public forum you become a bully of his
kids for they read what you post. Thank you God for keeping me on earth, can
you please and very kindly recall me tonight. EMOn the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
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Subject: Re: {UAH} GEORGE OKELLO NOW YOU HAVE MAIL. Ge’ez Herrn Mulindwa:What
are you sniffing these days? It is always good to write on issues that are
factually true and not basedon your understanding about them.When you talk
about the Education system in Uganda,are you truly telling us what was
obtaining at the timeor you are solely relying on the Naluwide episodes that
appears to be your principal bibliography?First,if you ever remember my quarrel
with the post Independent government,it was that at that time they shouldhave
given all and sundry free and compulsory Universal education up to at least
Grade VIII and thereafter the bursarysystem that Districts used to admnister
would kick in to help with post secondary education.That was unfortunately not
done,but instead we were offered free health care and this was greatly
subsidized by investingheavily on preventive medicine which was the right thing
to do anyway.Now on subjects that were being taught in schools,it is possible
you actually never went to school as you keep stating given that you and me are
agemates and yet I remember excelling in both the Sciences and arts subjects
that you are talking about but chose to stick with sciences at HSC. People like
the late Aryada incase you ever knew him,was a great mathematician,in the same
way as JJ Okot was a physics teacher and yet these two fellows learnt those
subjects and went on to teach them long before your adorablebuffonish Idi Amin
ever dreamt of becoming President.Judging from your writ,you remind me about
that BBC program Mind your language,where the Chinese student in the English
class whenever asked about who said what or did what,she always answered
:"Chairman Mao Zedong".So,it is with you,you want people to believe that Idi
Amin was the author of everything Ugandan and yet you know that thatis the
greatest lie you are spewing here ad nauseum.Please,stop this story of trying
to be what you are not especially so age wise,given that at Independence you
were barely in Grade One.Kipenji
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Sent: Saturday, 7 February 2015, 14:47
Subject: {UAH} GEORGE OKELLO NOW YOU HAVE MAIL. Ge’ez Friends Let me burn a
second to respond to the London nonsense that has been piled up all along on
Uganda education, now that I have got a second to sit on a computer before I am
sacrificed for the day. Foreign education has and needs to be undervalued
because it is not to our interest, and George Okello with UPC as a party have
stalled the country by forcing that education nonsense into Uganda and we need
to pull it out. Let us go back to Obote one educational system, yes it was good
for classrooms were running and The George Okello’s were blessed by it to get a
free education for the rest of us were growing coffee which was paid in chicken
droppings. But what were those schools actually teaching? And that is what
critical thinkers kept on asking as we were passing them. They were teaching
arts subjects. UPC stuck our country into teaching only arts subjects for when
you turned around to teach physics Mathematics Chemistry, you were targeting
the very jobs the Western countries never wanted Ugandans to do. So UPC sold
our country out to them by also refusing to educate our children into sciences.
Go back and look closely at the degree holders we have out of Uganda
Universities they are mainly Lawyers and journalists. Their only education is
to preach the beauty of The British government and how we must always be
dependent on them, it was important for George Okello to list himself in UAH as
a member of The Queen’s council. Tell me how does that help us as Ugandans?
Because now we know they are important. When they come into these countries,
they never function as lawyers to serious cases, they do cases we define as
Legal Aid cases, a kid has weed they show up, a kid has a drinking and driving
case they show up but as far as I know any serious case they have taken they
have lost it. Then the government as Ontario turned around and cut legal aid
to the bones I think they pay a case after 8 months or a year. It is not
justice but a welfare system to such lawyers. And that is how they were
educated. To sell UK education but which is not of value to us as Africans. So
understand why George Okello preaches the Western Education he is simply
fulfilling the job he was trained to do. When Amin came to power, { Mr Okuonzi,
just like Edward Mulindwa, seems to be happy that Uganda had an illiterate
buffoon like Idi Amin as leader,} The educateds define as an illiterate
buffoon, his first mission was to reverse that. Amin wanted Uganda schools to
teach Mathematics, Science and physics so that our children can be prepared for
the next century. There is a reason Ombachi and Mpoma satellite were built for
Amin knew that where we are going we need data transmission, and we need to
prepare the country for it, that is why he built them than UPC. Amin went to
Mecca where he met a leader of Pakistan, I forget the man’s name but he signed
an agreement to bring into Uganda 5,000 expatriates to revive the educational
system from the UPC British based education system, we were stuck into to a
Mathematical system we actually needed. They arrived into Uganda, and among
them was the leader of the Mathematics department Makerere University, Buddo I
think got about two or three of them, and when I have time I will post more
locations where they were allocated. Those mathematicians and physicist were
working in nuclear departments in their country and came to Uganda for Amin
wanted to change that system from the useless brains it was producing. Men
like Barbas Killi believed into that line of thinking, and another one whose
name I think was Rwandererire also believed into that educational
transformation. The moment Amin left power, the very first thing Western
countries demanded was to stop that program immediately, UPC agreed and they
were all fired but deported. Uganda started again to carry on with arts
subjects. When Museveni came he maintained the arts, and men like Rwandererire
either died in Western Uganda or still alive and never allowed to do anything
concerning education. We are producing so many degree holders in Uganda but
start to wonder why they are all lawyers and journalists. What don’t we have
mathematicians, Physicists, Scientists why not? Because Lawyers suck the
British and praise them a great deal as this man George Okello is doing. Our
education system is that screwed. And that is why when Jim Muwanga complains
that we have failed to wire the country and we need to transmit data, a call I
have done many times in these forums, there is a catch to that claim. We will
buy the systems and we will get them installed but they will be installed by
French British and Americans because we only have piles of lawyers and
journalists qualifying through our ass and their job is to praise western
education than creating jobs for our children. Remember when Alcatel came to
install the phones in Uganda, Uganda were only digging trenches for we are not
educated to install the systems let alone maintain them. The education system
of our country is structured to protect the jobs for The British and we in
change get “educated” Lawyers that are simply useless. These days kids tell
you how they are in Makerere University ask them what they are studying,
response Mass communication. What the heck is that? You are screwed but that is
how they are educated from the ground coming up, and George Okello praises that
Western Education for it is great. Tell me this, just how many Mathematician
Ugandans do you know? And you think that is a coincidence? It is because we ae
not allowed to educate them to such and UPC enforces that hold on Uganda
brains. The Mathematics teachers that were educated by the Pakistan’s to push
the country forward are the very teachers that were rounded up and sent to John
Ogole to fight with in LUwero and they all never came back. And I have stated
that before. All that is to stand in London pub and praise western education
which is a lie to you as Ugandans. Until when we start to educate our children
into Mathematics and sciences we are long time fucked and George Okello is
preaching to us to take exactly that path as UPC is pleading us to do. I am an
educated man and I a member of the Queen’s council my back side !!!!!!
{Whoops sorry for my French} EMOn the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko" From: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
<mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of George Okello
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 6:42 AM
To: ugandans-at-heart
Subject: Re: {UAH} Guys did you know George even dreams in English? Comrade
Robukui, It is frustrating when people like Ronald Okuonzi jump into
discussions without understanding what they are all about? He is talking about
language in a totally different context, and has totally missed the drift.
Negro who speaks English is not an Englishman!! Okuonzi is still rooted in the
USA politics of the 1960s, with its messages of black empowerment, negro
upliftment, rejection of white cultural genocide, etc. The message of black
spiritual revival was relevant in politicising black America, but is totally
useless in reversing the effects of centuries of cultural genocide. How many
blackAmericans speak African languages today? Is it not English that all of
them speak? How many of them have returned to Africa, and do they actually want
to do so?In terms of Africa, it is pretty silly to say that speaking English or
another foreign language is a hindrance to the emancipation of the African
continent. Ability to speak English is a huge advantage, after all English is
now the language of the world. We have to adjust to changing reality. Mr
Okuonzi promotes such archaic ideas that people who speak English are somehow
disqualified from taking leadership positions in Africa. His Lado dreamland has
more than 50 ethnic languages. Which of them will he use to conduct business,
assuming Lado becomes an independent state? How will he conduct business
internationally? Will he speak in kakwa before bodies like the UN, the
International Atomic Energy Organisation, the World Bank, the International
Monetary Fund etc? Idi Amin once addressed the UN in luganda and Swahili- did
that really promote the interests of Uganda or confirmed its reputation as a
basket case? Mr Okuonzi, just like Edward Mulindwa seems undervalue or to be
against education and looks down on foreign education. If these are the ideas
he wants to use to run a future independent Lado State, then I am afraid the
status quo will be much preferable for the peoples of Lado. Africa needs to
develop. For this to happen, it needs a massive transfer of skills and
technology from the west. The more highly educated people we train, the better
for our country. Uganda needs to train more engineers, technicians,
agriculturists, doctors and administrators. With the collapse of our
educational system, most of these skills can now only be acquired from abroad.
The first stage in Uganda's recovery will be in the return of the thousands of
people who are currently living in the diaspora. Most of these people in the
diaspora have acquired new skills and as well as practical experience which
would be invaluable to rebuilding our country. Mr Okuonzi, just like Edward
Mulindwa, seems to be happy that Uganda had an illiterate buffoon like Idi Amin
as leader, or that the semi-educated Museveni has been ensconced in power in
Uganda for alost 30 years. I am afraid Ugandans beg to think differently. They
want highly educated leaders who have a clear grasp of the modern world and of
policies than can work. Ugandans don't want bumbling fools like Idi Amin and
Museveni. I am not bothered where Ugandan leaders get their education, so long
as they are educated. Speaking an ethnic language is an asset, but it is not a
qualification for leadership. My nieces who have returned to to work as doctors
in northern Uganda hardly speak Luo or other local languages- how has that
stopped them from being at the very front of the fight against diseases like
Ebola, Nodding Disease etc? It is so silly for Mr Okuonzi to state that because
they do not speak Ugandan languages, therefore they can not contribute to the
health and well being of Ugandans. George Okello On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:11
PM, Ssalongo Ssennoga <firstcall...@gmail.com <mailto:firstcall...@gmail.com> >
wrote:
George!!! You are hired! I am in for dual citizenship... How do I become a
Filipino Cebuan??? Villager
On Sunday, February 1, 2015, Robukui <robuku...@gmail.com
<mailto:robuku...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Gopo,
How long did you hesitate?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 31, 2015, at 9:30 PM, George Okello <opal...@gmail.com
> <mailto:opal...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> Rajab Ali,
>
> I am not a patron of "ago-ago clubs", but I have visited some of them.
> Before I went to the Philippines, I had never before seen a naked
> woman in public, apart from little children playing in the rain in
> Dokolo when I was growing up. I was therefore so shocked when I visted
> one for the first time, in fact on the very first day I arrived in the
> country. I had arrived in the morning and then then slept up to 6 PM
> (time difference jet lag). I went out to take a walk and get to know
> my sorroundings; I walked deep into the streets of Old Manila until it
> got dark.
>
> On my way back, I was attracted to a very colourfully decorated and
> attractive street, the establishments on the street had scantily
> dressed young girls standing infront. As I hesitated, looking through
> the windows of one, somebody caught my hands from behind, almost
> frightening the life out of me. When I turned around, it was a very
> young scantily dressed young girl who looked about 16 years old. She
> invited me to come inside, but as I showed reluctance, started pulling
> me by the hands. People walking on the streets did not seem bothered
> at all. Eventually I went inside out of curiosity.
>
> It was a very nicely decorated bar with a large dancing hall with
> poles interpersed at different intervals. The girl wanted to take me
> to a table in a dark corner, but I refused- I was not getting into a
> dark corner where I could not see the entrance, so I sat at the bar,
> with the girl sitting next to me. First she wanted beer, which I
> bought. Then she asked me if I wanted her to perform for me on the
> floor, but I said no, I had by now realised the type of establishment
> I had enterred because customers were now coming in and they were all
> foreigners. It was only much later that I leant Filipino men are not
> allowed in these establishments. She then got up and sat on my laps, a
> development I did not like at all. What worried me most was if my new
> employers somehow saw me with a 16 year old girl sitting on my laps- I
> was so scared somehow someone might take my picture. AS I stood up,
> gently shooing the girl away, the bar owner stepped in, and told me
> not to worry about the girl. She loves you, he claimed. She has never
> seen a black man before and she is new here. She wants to be your
> customer tonight, he said, tapping his nose with his middle finger
> conspiratorially. So in that brief conversation, a contract was
> concluded, the girl went behind and put on more decent clothes and
> took me to a table in a dark corner. Music was now on, the house full
> and girls dancing and cavorting with the dancing poles on the floor
> while the middle aged and old grizzled white men ogled this
> magnificient display of oriental beauty, about 30 young
> girls,resplendent in all their natural glory gyrating with free
> abandon, all naked. I fell in love with oriental girls there and then.
>
> But meanwhile, my own table was now warming up. I used to be the last
> man standing as far as drinking alcohol is concerned, and the more I
> drank, the merrier I became and the happier my new found love also
> became. But there is a catch here, as I later found out, because as
> she was now officially my "customer", the bar owner was entitled to
> charge a "bar fine"- this was $20 for the night, for her to be my
> chaperone.
>
> These girls are not paid a salary, instead they earn a percentage from
> the drinks sold. Any drink for a woman is charged double, the other
> half going to her. At the time, a drink for a girl would cost about $2
> so if she gobbles 10 drinks by hook or crook, thats $10 for a night's
> work. In really, a hardened professional will go over 20 drinks in the
> course of a night, especially if she succeeds in loosening the man's
> wallet by getting him pissed very early on. Others use other tricks
> that you will not notice, unless you are hardened yourself. eg by
> carrying her glass to the bar under cover of speaking to a mate and
> then conveniently forgetting the glass there; going to the loo to
> throw up and then return to start afresh or bring in two or three
> mates to your table so you have to buy the "house drink", a $50 bottle
> of wine, so in a good night, and depending on the man, she might clock
> up $100 on drinks alone. This is in a country where a civil servants
> monthly wage is about $200.
>
> So I spent I must say a very enjoyable evening..The problem was how to
> conclude it. As I had already paid "bar fine", I could go with the
> girl for "short-time" to a room in the back for 1 hour for an
> additional $20 room hire; or take her with me to my hotel with no
> further fee payable. Whatever else I paid the girl would be
> negotiable, typically, it would be an additional $20-$50. I decided to
> thank the girl for a very good evening, gave her $20 dollars, promised
> to come back on the weekend and left, never to return. But I have
> never forgotten the experience. I calculated I spent $100 that night,
> of which $50 went to the girl, which was not bad for a nights work. It
> was a rude introduction to the Philippines, a country of two halves,
> with one half very conservative and traditional, where girls are
> expected to be virgins at marriage, and the other half wallowing in
> the excesses of western decadence. I was later to visit many of these
> places of entertainment, but mainly as a social researcher, not
> patron, so I know how they operate.
>
> This type of prostitution exists in the Philippines for several reasons:
>
> 1. The country is a top destination for sex tourists, I think it comes
> second after Thailand, the others being Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos and
> some parts of India. Because of breakdown in relationships between men
> and women in the Westrn world, most middle aged men are totally
> disatisfied with their own women, so most plan holidays in South East
> Asia where they can meet or access these women. It is a form of
> voyeurism if you asked me- indulging in sexual fansasies. Western
> women are so independent that to a lot of men these days, they are no
> longer sexually attractive. We don't look at such independent minded
> women as sexually attractive anymore. The more women get liberated,
> the more they loose their sex appeal. This is what I have observed
> among most middle aged men in the UK. I used to work with a white
> English man for about 5 years. He got divorced after only 3 years of
> marriage and never bothered again taking on another girlfriend. But he
> would save money every year in order to take a 6 week holiday in South
> East Asia where he would get one of these women to spend the holiday
> with. So his sex life was limited to 6 weeks a year and he was not
> ashamed to admit it.
> 2. Poverty is overwhelming and a lot of young girls and families look
> at it as the only way to make a decent living. The presence of
> thousands of foreigners is also not a very healthy phenomenon. They
> bring money to the country, but at a terrible cost. Imagine that you
> had 50,000 foreigners in Kampala at any moment in time, whose only
> reason to come to Uganda is to look for sex- a lot of the students and
> school girls would be tempted to enter the profession.
> 3. The government turns a blind eye to the trade because it brings in
> a lot of money to the country. Tourism is the largest Income earner in
> Thailand, and second largest in the Phillippines, Cambodia and
> Vietnam. Cuba was also begginning to be an attraction for sex
> tourists, but the government has tried to deal with it by clamping
> hard on organised prostitution.
>
> A I am a very keen observer of socio-economic conditions in all the
> countries I have visited. The level of prostitution in a country is
> also an indicator of its postion in the world division of wealth and
> power. The consequences of the breakdown of the family is
> unfortunately being felt in South Asia because people say the
> oreintals are the most beautiful and sensous women in the world. They
> are paying a heavy price for producing very beautiful women.
>
>
> George Okello
>
>> On 1/31/15, Rajab Ali <raj62...@gmail.com <mailto:raj62...@gmail.com> >
>> wrote:
>> George! When are you due in the Phillipines again? I am sure it will be
>> sooner, rather than later. I wonder how much money you are wasting on those
>> 'laps!' Little wonder you have quit on getting married again.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 31 Jan 2015, at 13:51, George Okello <opal...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:opal...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Jim Muwanaga,
>>>
>>> I think luganda is a very rich language linguistically and keeps
>>> developing. It is one of the few African languages that adds on to its
>>> grammar at least about 100 extra new words per year, which is a good
>>> sign. But because it is developing, it has become a threat to its
>>> neighbouring languages, just like Arabic has wiped out the Berber and
>>> African languages in Morrocco and Algeria, or Youruba and Hausa are doing
>>> in Nigeria. As Luganda develops, lusoga, runyoro-rutooro, lukooki, lunyala
>>> etc get swallowed up. Henry Ford Mirima said Lunyoro-rutooro is now a
>>> threatened language because it is being swallowed up by luganda. The
>>> Philippines has followed a similar pattern. It is a country of over 200
>>> ethnic languages and dialects, but most of these are fast disappearing as
>>> Tagalog emerges as the national language. Nearly everyone speaks Tagalog
>>> but just give it a regional slant or dialect, for eg in central
>>> Philippines, the language is still Tagalog, but the locals call it either
>>> Visayan ( regional name) or Cebuano ( derived from the main island Cebu).
>>> The good thing about Tagalog is that no ethnic group claims it, so there
>>> is no resistance to its conquest of other languages. Nearly all Filipinos
>>> are bi-lingual in that they speak Tagalog, which is now the national
>>> language, as well as their own regional version of Tagalog.
>>>
>>> However, I am not good at languages so my Taglog is very limited. I can't
>>> go beyond greetings. I cant even chat up a woman in a pub. But 90% of
>>> Filipinos speak English, so there is no problem with communication. I am
>>> sure a seasoned person like you would not have any problem- if push came
>>> to shove, I am sure you would resort to sign language language if you got
>>> cornered a girl in one of Manila.s "ago- ago" bars. ( These are bars
>>> where the girls dance naked on the dance floor and you the customer makes
>>> your choice. They will offer you a menu, from just keeping you company
>>> until you leave, to sitting on your laps, to "short time"- ie one hour in
>>> a room at the back to "long-time" ie going with you to your hotel, the
>>> fees vary depending on which menu you choose. If you choose short or long
>>> time, you must pay the bar owner a "bar fine" ranging from ￡10 to even
>>> $500 depending on the class of the establishment- what you pay the girl is
>>> then negotiable between the two of you. These establishments are supposed
>>> to illegal, but in Manila you will find red light districts in every
>>> corner of this sprawling city of 25 million people.)
>>> .
>>>
>>> George Okello
>>> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 8:49 AM, 'Ingram Kampe' via Ugandans at Heart
>>> (UAH) Community <ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
>>> <mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In Orunyankole Dialectical Materialism-is Okuchondoza Enshonga kuhika
>>>> ahamazima.--------------------------------------------
>>>> On Sat, 1/31/15, jim muwanga <muwanga...@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:muwanga...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: {UAH} Guys did you know George even dreams in English?
>>>> To: "ugandans-at-heart" <ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
>>>> <mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com> >
>>>> Received: Saturday, January 31, 2015, 1:23 AM
>>>>
>>>> George. At least you should
>>>> dream in Philipino language since yo madam is from there.
>>>> hehehe
>>>>
>>>> Do not
>>>> underestimate 1. Mugerwa. 2. Luganda
>>>>
>>>> I have said here I'd rather engage
>>>> Mugerwa in english rather than in Luganda becoz he will
>>>> floor me. I saw some of his writting.
>>>>
>>>> Luganda is a very sophisticated lingua in
>>>> that what the white man's english explains in 3
>>>> sentences with bombastic words. Luganda has one word or 2
>>>> maximum.
>>>>
>>>> It is apity
>>>> that some of the languages are dying out. This should stop.
>>>> English is not God's Language.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at
>>>> 5:53 PM, George Okello <opal...@gmail.com <mailto:opal...@gmail.com> >
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Jim
>>>> Muwanga,
>>>>
>>>> You are right, I actually think in English. I dont
>>>> have opportunity to speak Lango, except when I visit my
>>>> sisters and brothers, whicc is very occasional In fact I
>>>> mainly get opportunity to speak Lango when I phone my mother
>>>> at home. For about 4 or 5 years, when I lived in Asia, I
>>>> never even saw a black face, let alone speak any Luo. This
>>>> is just the way it is. Luo is not a very rich language and
>>>> a lot of complicated ideas have no equivalent in Luo. How am
>>>> I going to get the equivalent of dialectical materialism in
>>>> Luo? I am sure Father Paul Mugerwa thinks in English, I can
>>>> not see how he can translate in his mind the vast
>>>> philosophical knowlege that forms his fountain of
>>>> knowledge. I would need three or four sentences to explain
>>>> a simple conceptt. Rather than develop, most of our ethnic
>>>> languages are actually dying. In the last 50 years, about
>>>> 30% of African languages have become extinct and many more
>>>> are now threatened.
>>>>
>>>> George Okelo
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 30, 2015
>>>> at 3:11 PM, jim muwanga <muwanga...@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:muwanga...@gmail.com> >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ati his english beats everyone's here. He even
>>>> has Acholi dreams in english and makes love in english
>>>> unlike Gwoks who wakes up from an english dream but shouts
>>>> in Acholi (Head no correct). Sijui Marakwanga...what
>>>> what.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> hehehe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just teasing
>>>> you guys. Relax enjoy your friday.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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