Barigye
And Obama as a democrat candidate preached on The war in Iraq is a creation of
the Republicans, and if elected he will stop it , he promised an immediate with
draw of troops with an immediate shut down of Guantanamo Bay. When Hilary lost
in that campaign, Obama realized that he actually has a shot of being a
president, he changed that statement to we will work with our allies to see how
we can end the Iraqi war. On record Obama is going to end his second term when
Iraq is still a war zone, and Guantanamo is going to still be open. I have
extensively read about the Konyi war and I simply cannot buy the story of it
was an avoidable issue. Its extension to what time it took was by design, but
its start was never by design sir.
Even before NRA went to The North, Acholi had split themselves into two, those
that were in UNLF and those that were not. Let us also remember that always in
their lives, Acholi are never together, they were separated by towns during
Obote one, during Amin, during Obote two and they were divided during The
Movement. An Acholi from Kitgum as an example, takes himself as different from
an Acholi from Gulu. And I can write many of these examples where you see that
they actually regard themselves different, than a Muganda of Masaka who takes
himself the same as a Muganda of Mawokota. Acholi do not regard themselves as
equals or as the same. Such upbringing but back ground, has a major potential
for war even if you love to lead a country peacefully. There is always going to
be a war in Acholi land that I will not be surprised if another leader camps
them again.
I have argued that we need to start discussing Acholi violence candidly to be
educated on it for a very good reason sir.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
From: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Allan
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 2:49 AM
To: ug at
Subject: Re: {UAH} Garissa could have been avoided if we had learned from past
attacks
Mulindwa,
The konyi war was a war by design not by choice. It could have been avoided if
the gov't cared to.
On Apr 5, 2015 10:35 PM, "Herrn Edward Mulindwa" <mulin...@look.ca
<mailto:mulin...@look.ca> > wrote:
Edward Pojim
Let us live the attack of Garissa on the sides and look at what happened in
Uganda. The Konny war remained a very huge thorn in Northern Uganda, camps were
attacked and many Ugandans were murdered. But let us closely look at a single
attack that happened in Atiak, why did this attack happen? When you read
closely the many reports written about the Atiak attack, it was built due to
land dispute between one clan of Acholi and another clan. Atiak deaths were
built due to two clans holding a very long dispute between each other on a
piece of land. They decided to go after each other and at the end of the day
about 300 people were left dead. Edward we all as Ugandans have land and we all
have land disputes between ourselves, my God I have a piece of land I have
failed to develop to today because a lady is claiming it is her land, so these
claims are not isolated in Uganda, but we do not go after each other and
murdering each other. Why do Acholi defuse these situations by clobbering each
other to death? Do you have a system in mind you think Uganda government can
establish a way to protect Acholi clans from each other due to land disputes?
What should the government do, put a tank at every tribal house? And these
attacks in Acholi land have covered so many areas especially schools and here
is the list if I can even try to list them:-
St. Mary's College Lacor: 32 girls were abducted on August 20, 1992 while
another 23 girls were abducted on July 23, 1996.
Atiak: On April 17, 1995, over 250 were clubbed or shot dead in Atiak, Gulu.
Attack carried out by over 80 LRA rebels led by Otti Lagony and Vincent Otti.
Aboke: In October 1996, 139 girls from St. Mary's College Aboke in Apac
District were abducted.
Achol Pii Massacre: In July 1996 more than 100 Sudanese refugees killed by LRA
rebels at a UNHCR settlement on Kitgum-Gulu Road. The remaining of over 10,000
refugees were variously translocated to safer areas of Uganda like Kiryandongo
in Masindi District.
Sir Samuel Baker School: On August 21, 1996, 39 students were abducted from
their dormitory and conscripted by LRA.
Sacred Heart SS, Gulu: 138 girls abducted between June 1987 and March, 1998.
Padibe/Palabek: In mid-January 1997, LRA rebels massacre more than 300 in
Kitgum's Lokung, Palabek and Padibe villages.
Mucwini: On July 24, 2002 in Mucwini, Kitgum, 56 civilians at Kirome village
were forced to form a queue and clubbed to death or executed sparking off mass
displacement of thousands of others.
Lapono: On October 14, 2002 rebels kill at least 52 villagers by hacking with
machetes, while 34 were gathered together into their huts, which were then set
on fire.
Abia: On February 4, 2002, 40 people killed in a rebel attack on Abia IDP camp
outside Lira Town.
Forced cannibalism: In November 2002, suspected LRA rebels compelled mourners
in a border village in Southern Sudan, to boil and eat their deceased at
gunpoint. Those who refused were massacred.
Patongo: In September 2002, 27 civilians were hacked to death and mutilated at
Patongo, Pader district and boiled in their bodies in cooking pots.
Barlonyo: In February 2004 LRA rebels reportedly led by Okot Odhiambo attacked
Barlonyo IDP camp killing up to 309 people in a single raid.
General primary school abductions: Between 1987 and 2000, primary schools have
recorded as many as 3,384 known abductions. Total cases of known abductions of
school children however stands at 5,545, but it is likely tobe higher than this.
And these are Acholi killing Acholi sir. What exactly do you want the
government to do, should we stop all government functions to go and protect
Acholi from Acholi? Now just yesterday George Okello wrote about the piece
Lucima posted some time and George claims that the people of Acholi and Madi
have lived in peace all along and it is Museveni building cultural cleansing.
Nonsense, because these people have been attacking themselves way long even
before Museveni became active in the region. And Museveni is leading the entire
country, are Japs also killing each other? Or you re stating that they have no
land disputes in The Japs !!!!
My friend we have some serious problem in some of our people that are not going
to go away for Museveni is gone. When society decides to murder students as we
have consistently witnessed in Africa lately, let us not blame Kenyatta sir.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
From: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
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<mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com> ]
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 7:31 PM
To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
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Subject: Re: {UAH} Garissa could have been avoided if we had learned from past
attacks
Mr. Mulindwa;
There's nothing funny or uplifting in the killing of children. It's a tragedy
all day long, whether the killers are Ugandans or Somalis.
In an earlier posting, you rubbished the value of higher education or school
systems in general, as if they have turned into incubators of terrorists. I
find that kind of conclusion too far-fetched to fathom. Terrorists are not
propelled by the education they get in classrooms; they are motivated by some
ideology.
So, there is no discernible profile of a terrorist, because they are
psychopaths.
Now, back to my frustration with President Kenyatta:
If you had read or listened to news accounts about his response to the travel
warnings issued by the British and Australian government just two days before
the Garissa massacre, you would also fault his handling of this terror attacks.
I also know that no one can adequately detect and thwart terror attacks
everywhere, all the time. But Kenya had been victimized before, and therefore,
it's incumbent upon the government to take all necessary steps to respond to
such warnings.
Pojim
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To: <mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com>
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Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 4:05 PM
Subject: RE: {UAH} Garissa could have been avoided if we had learned from past
attacks
Edward Pojim
You are frustrated at Uhuru’s government for failing to protect the students
but not frustrated why Africans or any fighting group finds it funny to murder
children? And this is not the first time I have seen this happening for Acholi
murdered their own kids in Aboke. And you are stating that the fault is of
African governments failing to protect the children than why do we murder our
very own children? So what exactly do you want done sir? Put tanks on each
African school for the parents are going to turn around and murder their very
own kids? Do you actually know how many schools are in a country sir? What a
childish pander ?
Oh Boy !!!!!!
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
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Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 6:51 PM
To: Ugandans-at-heart
Subject: {UAH} Garissa could have been avoided if we had learned from past
attacks
Folks;
I share this writer's frustration with President Uhuru in particular and his
security services in general. How the president casually dismissed specific
travel warnings issued by the UK and Aussie governments talks volume about his
state of mind.
Pojim
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