Ggwe Gwokto,
You should be the last person on this forum to caution Abbey about allowing
posting that has no substance, if I may ask you straight up, what substance
does talking about "oral condom in Botswana" has or relevant to violence, poor
governance in Uganda? It was your buddy George Okello who claimed here that 30%
of UAH postings is dominated by porno. Who else has posted porno on this forum
other Rhaina Peter Gwokto a Canadian citizen of Ugandan origin and an Acholi by
tribe? My linking last week's massacre in Garisa is very very relevant because
similar incidences have taken place in Acholi for more than 2 decades with
almost similar motive, religion. Kony is fighting or was fighting to govern
Uganda based on the 10 Commandments while at the same time he has broken every
single one of them. Al-Shabab is fighting to govern Somalia based on Sharia Law
picked from Hammurabi’s script. If my posting has reduced the quality of
discussion what is preventing you from using your own so-called STR for the
quality of discussion you desire. Why are you still hanging on to UAH whose
quality of discussion is below intellectualism? George Okello stole several
email contacts from UAH trying to create his own forum...How far did he go?
Nowhere. He has to return to UAH where he is capable of abusing people.
Gwokto, in recent weeks you have announced so many initiatives you have
initiated, where are they, if you are that intelligent as you claim to be, how
come you are full of air. If you want position as a moderator why don't you
simply ask Abbey to employ you, that way you prevent my posting. As a matter of
fact, I have already contributed a lot since the series started, even you
prevented UAH from sharing the series, enough has already gone out. Like a
fired bullet, you cannot recall it. At this point I will lose nothing if I
walked away from the form. And by the way, I want to make it clear, if I do, it
will not be because of your bullshit and rubbish, it will be because I have
contributed enough, time to retire sir. I have a life to live and I have lived
it to the fullest within my means. Your so-called intellectualism will not
benefit me sir. If it has failed to benefit you the owner, how would it benefit
a stranger in your books. Sir, take your fight to Abbey. I am not the founder,
nor a moderator. You are fighting the wrong horse. If he has allowed you to
distribute your porno, it is also within my right to be allowed to highlight
the most important issue in Uganda violence against, children, women, men, the
young and aged. In this regard we differ sir, your interest lies in porno, I
hope you are making money out of it, while my concern is the suffering of the
innocent. Your intellectualism may be stronger than mine, but I stand on a
higher moral ground than you do. Even a child can tell the difference. Which
takes me back to the original question I needed tor early ask you, Gwokto you
stood in this forum and stated that you had reached a level of unsubscribing
yourself, why are you still in the same forum?
Just asking !!!!!
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
From: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
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[mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gwokto La'Kitgum
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 1:27 PM
To: ugandans-at-heart
Subject: Re: {UAH} ABBEY, AIN'T IT A HIGH TIME!?!?FREEDOM HAS RULES TOO!
Simon, Noc,
What I see is the lowest of all primitive attempts at "academic" or
"intellectual" excellence that a signatory can rubber stamp as stimulating or,
at the minimum, as helpful.in <http://helpful.in> an esteemed discussion forum
such as UAH - let alone, it has reduced UAH to a verbal garbage dump of idiocy.
Overall, I pity those of you who read his threads. Me, no.
Less we forget, UAH is by far one of the largest freedom of expression
parliaments in the world but to sustain it credibility like many parliaments
there has to be a final voice able to accept and approve what is palatable for
its general readers, consumers or visitors.
The idiot is so desperate for attention and recognition that he hijacks decent
threads and spews bedbugs all over them. His latest was Pojim's "Garissa could
have been avoided if we had learned from past attacks" which I only saw bcos
Noc has responded to it here otherwise his threads are No-Man's lands to me. I
cant sink that low and stupid. He yanked it out then threaded it as anew after
realizing neither Pojim nor Ocen were interested in soiling their feet with his
toxic shit.
Either way, it is the Moderator who is starting to look a fool - if not
already. As Mukasa just pointed out, for those of you who read them "We only
have to disassemble or disregard his ideas. We are big boys we can handle funny"
Simon, to be called a Fool is one thing. Its yet another if the one that calls
you a Fool doesnt know he/she is the ultimate Fool.
UAH is self-destructing.
___________________________________
Gwokto La'Kitgum
"Even a small dog can piss on a tall Building", Jim Hightower
On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:13 AM, 'Simon Okurut' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH)
Community <ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
<mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com> > wrote:
Nockrach,
I have at some occasions considered to inquire if Abbey issues licences
allowing some people to abuse or malign others. It is possible some of the
abusers have purchased rights so no amount of complain or appeals can revoke
those bestowed rights and there seems to be no expiry date.
We voluntarily joined the forum so as to know and share with our fellow
citizens but when somebody finds it pleasurable to abuse or malign, I wonder
whether there is any more rationale to continue participating. The essence of
learning/sharing is lost, so it becomes just a waste of time participating
while receiving unwarranted abuses.
Well, this is voluntary engagement as such withdrawal will likely be the best
next option.
Peter Simon
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Subject: {UAH} ABBEY, AIN'T IT A HIGH TIME!?!?FREEDOM HAS RULES TOO!
Abbey,
I believe it is a high time you acted to streamline the rules.
Freedom of expression, association and opinion, just like all other freedom and
liberty actually have rules!!!
Remember, sufferance is acceptance.
In effect, you are leting some of us who are keen on substance
and relevance down. For, I don't feel it appropriate that whenever many UAH-ers
are advancing progressive exchanges, some insane impudences should be
appreciated to backdoor preposterous
insanity that has no baring or relevance opn an ongoing thread.
In my opinion that would ammount to VIOLATION OF OTHER KEEN DEBATERS ((
CONSCIOUS DISTRACTION, SO TO SAY)).
More often than not, when ever such impudences jump on any issue under
discussion, the core issue is gone!!!!!!
That we should tolerate and respect freedom and liberty, I do understand. But,
those have rules. Without rules there are not freedom or liberty.
So, even in this case, If Edward Mulindwa wishes to advance his
issue, it is fine but, THAT IS IF HE STARTS HIS OWN THREAD
OR BACKDOOR IT UNDER A THREAD DISCUSSING ISSUES WHERE HIS BELONG.
WHAT MULINDWA IS ENGAGED IN IS VIOLATION. I have a feeling he is so keen to
smuggle his issue even where it does not belong because he is aware not many
are interested to follow him if he starts a thread.
AS IF THAT WERE NOPT ENOUGH, LOOK AT THESE RUBBISH BELOW:
"............St. Mary's College Lacor: 32 girls were abducted on August 20,
1992 while another 23 girls were abducted on July 23, 1996.................."
"..........Sir Samuel Baker School: On August 21, 1996, 39 students were
abducted from their dormitory and conscripted by LRA.
Sacred Heart SS, Gulu: 138 girls abducted between June 1987 and March,
1998..................."
I am one of those who have over the decades been very much
nauseated by the LRA attacks and, I have been very out spoken
against it.
BUT RIGHT SHALL BE RIGHT. First off, Aboke is in Lango.
secondly, where is that St mary's College at Lacor from where 32 girls were
abducted?
Even Sir Samuel Baker School (PONGDWONGO), THE FIRST ARMY EVER TO ATTACK THAT
SCHOOL WAS IDI AMIN FORCES who attacked the school in 1970s!!!!
I know many people here on UAH who were at Pongdwongo at the time (including my
own brother who was the Head Prefect). They walked on foot from Gulu to Tororo.
whence we assisted them to travel to Nairobi and eventually to Sweden, Britain,
Canada and the USA.
It is othewrwise common knowledge that when the colonialists brought into
Ugandan Nubians from Sudan violence was entrenched. Yet, we all know that that
does not imply all Nubians or that Nubians are violent.
That detour aside, ABBEY I suggest that you consider moderating
nonsensical backdoors and such nuisances unless they are under proper threads.
Like Edward Mulindwas nuisances, I do tolerate them when ever he starts his own
thread.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?
Noc'la gaumoy
Friends
There are numbers that one can throw into this debate. When you leave the
entire money poured into Northern Uganda due to the Kony war, and only consider
a single pump of money that was done under the Second Northern Uganda Social
Action fund project {NUSAF2}. This project had a leader by the name of
Ebdashaw Tadesse Gossa, we as Ugandans borrowed a total of 100 Million US
dollars to run this single project in Northern Uganda. Below are the questions:-
1} 100 Million US dollars is a huge amount for a small region as Northern
Uganda, what did it do that we can see today as an achievement?
2} If this money was borrowed by us as Ugandans and we are going to pay it with
time, why was the project of a borrowed money headed by a non-Ugandan?
3} Many of the people that died in The North died due to hunger, how did we
fail to even feed them when we have such huge amounts at our hands?
4} If there was corruption in The prime minister’s office, where was all
Acholi/Langi to raise the dust on mismanagement of this massive fund when their
very own people are dying? Where was Olara Otunnu, whre was Norbert Mao, where
was George Okello, where was Lucima?
5} What income did such number of Acholi/Langi have to justify the numerous
real estate they have established in Buganda especially in Kampala?
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
From: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
<mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Herrn Edward Mulindwa
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 3:40 AM
To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
<mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com>
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Subject: {UAH} Garissa could have been avoided if we had learned from past
attacks
Barigye
And Obama as a democrat candidate preached on The war in Iraq is a creation of
the Republicans, and if elected he will stop it , he promised an immediate with
draw of troops with an immediate shut down of Guantanamo Bay. When Hilary lost
in that campaign, Obama realized that he actually has a shot of being a
president, he changed that statement to we will work with our allies to see how
we can end the Iraqi war. On record Obama is going to end his second term when
Iraq is still a war zone, and Guantanamo is going to still be open. I have
extensively read about the Konyi war and I simply cannot buy the story of it
was an avoidable issue. Its extension to what time it took was by design, but
its start was never by design sir.
Even before NRA went to The North, Acholi had split themselves into two, those
that were in UNLF and those that were not. Let us also remember that always in
their lives, Acholi are never together, they were separated by towns during
Obote one, during Amin, during Obote two and they were divided during The
Movement. An Acholi from Kitgum as an example, takes himself as different from
an Acholi from Gulu. And I can write many of these examples where you see that
they actually regard themselves different, than a Muganda of Masaka who takes
himself the same as a Muganda of Mawokota. Acholi do not regard themselves as
equals or as the same. Such upbringing but back ground, has a major potential
for war even if you love to lead a country peacefully. There is always going to
be a war in Acholi land that I will not be surprised if another leader camps
them again.
I have argued that we need to start discussing Acholi violence candidly to be
educated on it for a very good reason sir.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
From: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
<mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Allan
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 2:49 AM
To: ug at
Subject: Re: {UAH} Garissa could have been avoided if we had learned from past
attacks
Mulindwa,
The konyi war was a war by design not by choice. It could have been avoided if
the gov't cared to.
On Apr 5, 2015 10:35 PM, "Herrn Edward Mulindwa" <mulin...@look.ca
<mailto:mulin...@look.ca> > wrote:
Edward Pojim
Let us live the attack of Garissa on the sides and look at what happened in
Uganda. The Konny war remained a very huge thorn in Northern Uganda, camps were
attacked and many Ugandans were murdered. But let us closely look at a single
attack that happened in Atiak, why did this attack happen? When you read
closely the many reports written about the Atiak attack, it was built due to
land dispute between one clan of Acholi and another clan. Atiak deaths were
built due to two clans holding a very long dispute between each other on a
piece of land. They decided to go after each other and at the end of the day
about 300 people were left dead. Edward we all as Ugandans have land and we all
have land disputes between ourselves, my God I have a piece of land I have
failed to develop to today because a lady is claiming it is her land, so these
claims are not isolated in Uganda, but we do not go after each other and
murdering each other. Why do Acholi defuse these situations by clobbering each
other to death? Do you have a system in mind you think Uganda government can
establish a way to protect Acholi clans from each other due to land disputes?
What should the government do, put a tank at every tribal house? And these
attacks in Acholi land have covered so many areas especially schools and here
is the list if I can even try to list them:-
St. Mary's College Lacor: 32 girls were abducted on August 20, 1992 while
another 23 girls were abducted on July 23, 1996.
Atiak: On April 17, 1995, over 250 were clubbed or shot dead in Atiak, Gulu.
Attack carried out by over 80 LRA rebels led by Otti Lagony and Vincent Otti.
Aboke: In October 1996, 139 girls from St. Mary's College Aboke in Apac
District were abducted.
Achol Pii Massacre: In July 1996 more than 100 Sudanese refugees killed by LRA
rebels at a UNHCR settlement on Kitgum-Gulu Road. The remaining of over 10,000
refugees were variously translocated to safer areas of Uganda like Kiryandongo
in Masindi District.
Sir Samuel Baker School: On August 21, 1996, 39 students were abducted from
their dormitory and conscripted by LRA.
Sacred Heart SS, Gulu: 138 girls abducted between June 1987 and March, 1998.
Padibe/Palabek: In mid-January 1997, LRA rebels massacre more than 300 in
Kitgum's Lokung, Palabek and Padibe villages.
Mucwini: On July 24, 2002 in Mucwini, Kitgum, 56 civilians at Kirome village
were forced to form a queue and clubbed to death or executed sparking off mass
displacement of thousands of others.
Lapono: On October 14, 2002 rebels kill at least 52 villagers by hacking with
machetes, while 34 were gathered together into their huts, which were then set
on fire.
Abia: On February 4, 2002, 40 people killed in a rebel attack on Abia IDP camp
outside Lira Town.
Forced cannibalism: In November 2002, suspected LRA rebels compelled mourners
in a border village in Southern Sudan, to boil and eat their deceased at
gunpoint. Those who refused were massacred.
Patongo: In September 2002, 27 civilians were hacked to death and mutilated at
Patongo, Pader district and boiled in their bodies in cooking pots.
Barlonyo: In February 2004 LRA rebels reportedly led by Okot Odhiambo attacked
Barlonyo IDP camp killing up to 309 people in a single raid.
General primary school abductions: Between 1987 and 2000, primary schools have
recorded as many as 3,384 known abductions. Total cases of known abductions of
school children however stands at 5,545, but it is likely tobe higher than this.
And these are Acholi killing Acholi sir. What exactly do you want the
government to do, should we stop all government functions to go and protect
Acholi from Acholi? Now just yesterday George Okello wrote about the piece
Lucima posted some time and George claims that the people of Acholi and Madi
have lived in peace all along and it is Museveni building cultural cleansing.
Nonsense, because these people have been attacking themselves way long even
before Museveni became active in the region. And Museveni is leading the entire
country, are Japs also killing each other? Or you re stating that they have no
land disputes in The Japs !!!!
My friend we have some serious problem in some of our people that are not going
to go away for Museveni is gone. When society decides to murder students as we
have consistently witnessed in Africa lately, let us not blame Kenyatta sir.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
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Subject: Re: {UAH} Garissa could have been avoided if we had learned from past
attacks
Mr. Mulindwa;
There's nothing funny or uplifting in the killing of children. It's a tragedy
all day long, whether the killers are Ugandans or Somalis.
In an earlier posting, you rubbished the value of higher education or school
systems in general, as if they have turned into incubators of terrorists. I
find that kind of conclusion too far-fetched to fathom. Terrorists are not
propelled by the education they get in classrooms; they are motivated by some
ideology.
So, there is no discernible profile of a terrorist, because they are
psychopaths.
Now, back to my frustration with President Kenyatta:
If you had read or listened to news accounts about his response to the travel
warnings issued by the British and Australian government just two days before
the Garissa massacre, you would also fault his handling of this terror attacks.
I also know that no one can adequately detect and thwart terror attacks
everywhere, all the time. But Kenya had been victimized before, and therefore,
it's incumbent upon the government to take all necessary steps to respond to
such warnings.
Pojim
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Subject: RE: {UAH} Garissa could have been avoided if we had learned from past
attacks
Edward Pojim
You are frustrated at Uhuru’s government for failing to protect the students
but not frustrated why Africans or any fighting group finds it funny to murder
children? And this is not the first time I have seen this happening for Acholi
murdered their own kids in Aboke. And you are stating that the fault is of
African governments failing to protect the children than why do we murder our
very own children? So what exactly do you want done sir? Put tanks on each
African school for the parents are going to turn around and murder their very
own kids? Do you actually know how many schools are in a country sir? What a
childish pander ?
Oh Boy !!!!!!
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
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Subject: {UAH} Garissa could have been avoided if we had learned from past
attacks
Folks;
I share this writer's frustration with President Uhuru in particular and his
security services in general. How the president casually dismissed specific
travel warnings issued by the UK and Aussie governments talks volume about his
state of mind.
Pojim
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Svara, Svara alla eller Vidarebefordra | Mer
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'Angol David' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community
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Idag vid 2.52 PM
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Now you want to twist the subject matter about Kenya attack to Northern
Uganda. Why change the topic? You always like ruining on going debate. Stick to
the head lines. Was the attack in northern Uganda?
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Visa meddelandehistorik
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“WE FORM THE CULTURE THAT FORMS US”….noc’la gaumoy.
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