Allan Barigye
With all due respect I think we are falling into a problem many in the forum
have fallen into. We come in with our expertise and we expect every member to
be at our stage of understanding issues, and we end up always logging in to
wonder why everyone is so stupid to understand such easy issues. Forums are
created to educate people, we register ourselves to learn from those that know
what we know we do not know.
For five straight months I have targeted Acholi violence for we have all along
ignored it. And I am not moving from it till when I put a red flag right in
Gulu and that flag will scream the Acholi violence and we all as Ugandans must
stand up and find a way to solve it. My trip to Uganda this summer is mainly to
work on how can we live with Acholi violence, and Kitgum is going to be my last
stop before I fly out. And yet at every single firkin example I have thrown
into the forum you have come back with that is a joke that is not violence
there are violent acts but Acholi are not violent people.
In a trading center called Aromo, Acholi arrested a fellow Acholi man, they
tied ropes on his feet thus hanging him on a tree upside down. They got a
bottle of kerosene and choked it in his ass. This man died a slow death that he
died at the fourth day of crying. Barigye you are standing up to tell us that
this man did not die violently. This morning I wrote about mothers that were
instructed to murder their children cook them and eat them in Labuje, they ate
them but Acholi turned around and shot them too. You are telling us that these
mothers and children did not die violently for Acholi are not violent people.
Acholi walked into Mucwiini and terrorized an IDP camp of Acholi, a woman with
a baby failed to silence it, they instructed her to throw the baby into the
jungle to die. She stood up to throw her own baby into the jungle they stopped
her and told her to come back. An Acholi put a torch in a terrorized baby eyes
and it cried, he lifted it, got a stick stuck it into its ear and it came out
through the other ear and you’re telling us that this baby did not die
violently for Acholi are not violent people.
Allan Barigye I have never served in the army, I have never served into a
Police force, I have never been on a front line, I have never served into any
intelligence organization, so my actual knowledge about what qualifies to be a
violent death let alone action, is limited to reports I read from
international community but from Ugandans that have been in war zones let alone
what I saw in Luwero. I am in a forum to learn from every one, and here are the
questions sir.
What worse way would Acholi have murdered the guy worse than with kerosene in
the ass to qualify to have died violently?
The mothers that cooked their children and ate them yet ended up dying, what
worse would have Acholi done to them to qualify to your standards of violent
death?
The baby that got a piece of wood in one ear to the other, how worse would
Acholi have murdered it to qualify to the violent death?
Allan Barigye I am not standing in a forum to claim that I know it all, but to
some of us when society gets its own babies and pound them as Ebinywebwa, we go
wooowww !!!!!! Stop that who the heck does that? But now that you have laughed
at it for to you this is not violence, Barigye kindly take the pulpit and
educate the rest of us on what death qualifies to a violent death. What is out
there that can be done to a human being that Acholi never did? And what line
did they fail to cross for you to stop and say you know what? This is now
violence.
The forum is yours sir.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
From: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Allan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 5:11 PM
To: ug at
Subject: Re: {UAH} THE MULINDWA NOTES ON VIOLENCE IN UGANDA {---*Series
two-Hundred but thirty six}
Jesus Christ.
Violence is violence where ever and in whatever form.
I cannot say it any better than saying that violence is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.
What I m disputing is your insinuation that acholi are the only and most
violent people.
Hutu never murdered Hutu and neither did Tutsis murder fellow Tutsis?
I will kindly bow out with honor.
On Apr 14, 2015 9:05 AM, "Herrn Edward Mulindwa" <mulin...@look.ca
<mailto:mulin...@look.ca> > wrote:
Barigye
In Rwanda Tutsis and Hutus were killing each other, but you do not have a
report anywhere in Rwanda where Tutsi were killing each other let alone cook
Tutsi kids and eating them. The Hutus never killed fellow Hutus and they never
murdered Hutu kids and eat them. Acholi murder each other sir and they very
brutally murder their very own children. And I am going to keep on responding
to you with the very same explanations you simply seem to ignore. Acholi
violence is very specific, and it needs a very specific understanding. The
series on Acholi violence was started to target Ugandans like you that believe
that if a Hutu kills a Tutsi it is the same with an Acholi instructing an
Acholi wife to un strap a baby off her back, pound it on a firkin wall and kill
it. Barigye Acholi collected Acholi families in a place called Labuje, they
instructed the women to murder their children which they so did, they
instructed them to eat them, which the mothers did, after eating their own
children Acholi turned around and shot the mothers to death.
And you are still standing on a pulpit claiming that this is not violence? What
the heck did they leave in the book that you wanted them to do sir for you to
realize we have an Acholi violence in Uganda?
Barigye just how brutal did you really want them to become, than that?
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
From: <mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com>
ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
<mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com> ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Allan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 5:24 AM
To: ug at
Subject: Re: {UAH} THE MULINDWA NOTES ON VIOLENCE IN UGANDA {---*Series
two-Hundred but thirty six}
Mulindwa,
Acholi violence was on acholi.
How do you explain the genocide in Rwanda?
Was it acholi murdering rwandese?
On Apr 14, 2015 2:40 AM, "'Ingram Kampe' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community"
<ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com <mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com>
> wrote:
Allan-you better come up with better "ink" otherwise it seems Mulindwa has a
lot of Bwiino in his "armory"--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 4/13/15, Allan <barigye.ru...@gmail.com
<mailto:barigye.ru...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Subject: Re: {UAH} THE MULINDWA NOTES ON VIOLENCE IN UGANDA {---*Series
two-Hundred but thirty six}
To: "ug at" <ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
<mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com> >
Received: Monday, April 13, 2015, 4:55 PM
USA is where violence
is embedded in its very existence. I guess because
they are acholi. Right?
On Apr 13, 2015 6:48
PM, "Herrn Edward Mulindwa" <mulin...@look.ca <mailto:mulin...@look.ca> >
wrote:
FriendsIn this series I am
going to adress the issue that was raised by Simon Peter
Okurut and Allan Barigye that the problem we have in Acholi
land is not a violence of the entire popualtion but very few
criminals that simply misbehaved and we need to ignore
them for the North is going to sing Kumbaya, I need to
repeat my self that the violence that has been done in The
North has worried every inteligent institution out of
Uganda, it is Ugandans that have not bothered about it. And
here are the numbers that were filled by the International
center for Transitional justice, a Human right center,
university of California Berkely. They considered 3
districts namely Gulu Kitgum and Lira. How were people
affected by violence into those three districts, Let us look
at the numbers that they came up
with.Gulu
district1. Was abducted 327
(53%)2. Had a child that
was abducted 223 (36%)3. Witnessed a child
that was abducted 429 (69%)4. Witnessed a family
member killed 292 (47%)5. Witnessed a friend
or neighbor killed 245 (39%)6. Was threaten of
death 370 (60%)7. Was physically
mutilated, maimed, or injured by the LRA 122
(20%)8. Was forced to carry
loads for the LRA 301 (48%)9. Was sexually
violated 64 (10%)10. Witnessed someone
being sexually violated 182 (29%)11. Have been
physically beaten or injured by a family member 138
(22%) Kitgum
district 1. Was abducted
347 (54%)2. Had a child that
was abducted 258 (40%)3. Witnessed a child
that was abducted 417 (65%)4. Witnessed a family
member killed 298 (47%)5. Witnessed a friend
or neighbor killed 279 (44%)6. Was threaten of
death 347 (54%)7. Was physically
mutilated, maimed, or injured by the LRA 116
(18%)8. Was forced to carry
loads for the LRA 262 (41%)9. Was sexually
violated 46 (7%)10. Witnessed someone
being sexually violated 117 (18%)11. Have been
physically beaten or injured by a family member 117
(18%) Lira
District 1.Was abducted 195
(30%)2. Had a child that
was abducted 195 (30%)3. Witnessed a child
that was abducted 352 (54%)4. Witnessed a family
member killed 349 (53%)5. Witnessed a friend
or neighbor killed 406 (62%)6. Was threaten of
death 243 (37%)7. Was physically
mutilated, maimed, or injured by the LRA 203
(31%)8. Was forced to carry
loads for the LRA 145 (22%)9. Was sexually
violated 42 (6%)10. Witnessed someone
being sexually violated 167 (26%)11. Have been
physically beaten or injured by a family member 183
(28%) These are numbers and
for some very unknown reason numbers have frustratingly
refused to lie. If you look at these percentages, they are
way high to get an acceptable sample of Acholi violence. In
fact let me post a writing from the very same study that we
need to look at closely, and he says in a direct quote
:- “Exposure to
ViolenceThe analysis of the
data indicates that 20 years of war and political unrest in
Northern Uganda has traumatically affected virtually the
entire population. Four out of five respondents had been
exposed to at least one or more of the listed events of
direct traumatic exposure. Forty percent indicated they had
been formally abducted, 31 percent had a child that was
abducted, and 58 percent witnessed a child being abducted.
Almost half (45 percent) of the respondents had witnessed a
member of their family killed, and almost the same amount
(48 percent) witnessed a friend or neighbor killed, and/or
was threatened with death (49 percent). About one-third of
the respondents were forced to carry loads for the LRA (33
percent). Almost one-quarter (23 percent) of the respondents
had been physically mutilated, maimed, or injured by the
LRA. Similarly, 24 percent had been physically beaten or
injured by a family member and/or witnessed someone who was
sexually violated (25 percent). About 7 percent admitted
they had experienced a sexual
violation.” Fellow Ugandans Acholi
violence is real and we need to address it but candidly.
Stay in the forum for Series two
hundred and thirty seven on the way
------>EMOn the 49th
Parallel Thé
Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza
Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa
Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza
Besigye, Uganda ni katika machafuko"
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