Rhita Wasswa
But can democratic governments work in Africa? Look may be you people have so
lived so firkin long in this way twisted system that you think there is
something called democracy, and we need to plant it into Africa. And my cut is
very simple, Iddi Amin was an autocratic leader, but my dear mother had an
access to an Aspirin if she needed it, Republic Express busses were running.
Mulago hospital was fully functional, Uganda transport Cooperation was working,
Uganda Air Lines was flying, Uganda railways was working, we owned Uganda house
in New York than today when Rwanda owns it, Uganda diary cooperation was
working but so did new developments that were coming up on line as Mpoma
satellite and so on. My God what has all the later democratic leaders done for
Uganda including Obote himself as a man that was elected? And I need only a
single firkin thing he did in Uganda.
Your {Democratic} kind of reasoning just so firkin frustrates.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
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Subject: Re: {UAH} Hundreds drown off Libya, EU leaders forced to reconsider
migrant crisis
Simon,
I have watched fellow Africans, men, women & worst children die in desperation
to cross over Europe but question is with the recurring dictators in power and
the sale/marketing of a more democratic & income based life either by mouth or
otherwise, who wouldn't?
The ONLY way to resolve this problem is for Europe/America NOT to pretend &
ignore that it had encouraged non democratic governments whilst stealing from
Africa with its Neo-colonialism stench.
Africans/Asians(not all) are living in despairing conditions despite the riches
within the land. There is hardly any middle class, you're either poor or rich &
who likes poverty- Okello complains about his library- he has a right to his
taxes- dare say something in Africa, you're either suffocated with money or
suffocated in dead wind rising.....
While UK is still in the EU, there is hardly nothing they can do, not with the
Conservatives unrealistic empty heart promises & they haven't lived up to their
net migration rhetoric, that leaves Milliband who is so stable with the EU &
who cares about SNP- it's an involutionary territory.
What & how is to get rid of our fellow Africans from perilous situations is for
Africans to be counter productive & "fight our own"- get rid of dictators, poor
governments, balance our debts, shake up the West & get rid of aid- it's like a
never ending roller coaster, invest in ourselves & stop doing the talk without
acting upon it.
Rhita Wasswa
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At Apr 22, 2015, 12:17:48 AM, 'Simon Okurut' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH)
Community<'ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com'> wrote:
Mulindwa,
You might be right. Am I the only one behind the latest information about that
massacre of innocent travelers? What is the truth, if you don't mind sharing it?
Peter Simon
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Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 6:14 PM
Subject: RE: {UAH} Hundreds drown off Libya, EU leaders forced to reconsider
migrant crisis
Simon Peter Okurut
Gadhafi never ever bombed the air craft of Lockerbie kindly try something else.
Gees are we now in reverse gear?
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
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Subject: Re: {UAH} Hundreds drown off Libya, EU leaders forced to reconsider
migrant crisis
Ingram Kampe,
Thanks for your input. Mine is an idea for thought, it is not a concrete
solution. Like you said, if it is fundamentally agreed upon, then the concerned
parties can work out the best approach.
African Union and other stakeholders have to get involved as Libya has failed;
we can no longer watch at a distance as our people die.
I am glad to note that the European Union (EU) members are already working on
some possible ways similar to my proposals; one of the 10 suggestions is the
need to prevent the departure of the immigrants from Libyan coast. We do not
have to take a back stage as Europeans try to help stop drowning. The majority
of those drowning are Africans, that is why we should be at the fore front.
What do you suggest? It is good to critique what people bring forward but is
even better if you give your suggestions so that we get something better; it
may be temporary but we can use that as a starting point to move to a permanent
solution. The problem is not being temporary but our tendency to stop there
thus allowing the previous causal effects to resume/return/rise.
We may not agree on the Libyan problem; but Gadaffi had been a problem not only
to his people but also to the international community for example, the bombing
at (Lockiebie?); so with such a person gone irate, I wonder whether the best
solution was to let him continue with his madness.
I think our problem is to ignore issues brewing and only react when it is too
late. Libya is a very good example, Gadaffi murdered his people, he sponsored
revolutions, he sponsored terrorism, he undermined even fellow leaders while
the world watched and and in some cases, cheered. Slowly but surely he
accumulated 42 years in power; surprisingly we have people who say it was a
mistake to stop such a person from his handiwork, was it destined?
The people drowning are running away from genuine causes, otherwise, I doubt if
they would dare cross the waters knowing that they may never reach or survive.
For a man and his wife to risk their lives including that of their children is
not a simple matter. They must be trying to escape the worst experience in
their lives.
So, my brother, my suggestions were meant to kick- start a discussion on what
can be done. I am glad that I have people like the prime ministers of Greece
and Sicily who see the situation as I see it and have made similar suggestions
which they are going to discuss on Thursday. As usual, our African brothers and
sisters are not moving and some of them only oppose without making suggestions.
Thank you, brother.
Peter Simon.
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Subject: RE: {UAH} Hundreds drown off Libya, EU leaders forced to reconsider
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Peter Simon-how will Libya look at the deployment of soldiers (foreign ones at
that)along its coastline? It could work if you have a central authority in
Libya, that you can negotiate with,but at the moment you will be dealing with
all the rag-tag armies that are jostling for control. Your plan, might in fact,
complicate the situation. The problem with solutions like yours, is that they
only lead to temporary misguided exuberance as we have seen before.(eg-military
coups, the bombing of Libya and removal of Gadaffi and the Iraq war that
removed Saddam).
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#yiv5857714406 WBK On as serious
note it is time for African countries to put together strong
military force to go and stabilize Libya. The rebels could
only win with NATO bombing. Talk about a solution to problem
gone terribly wrong. Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia and some
Sub Saharan African countries need to come up with a 20, 000
strong force to go and liberate Libya before it goes the
Iraq way. If Liyba became another Somali, things could very
bad in the region so time to act. Why do we have to stabilize Libya
when you threw a dictator out, did another one enter it? Now
that it you only that defines dictators. Hey now that you
screwed it up why don’t you stabilize it? When you did not
want Gadhafi you forgot Africans and zoomed in with your
bombs murdering tens of thousands and now you want Africans
in? What some balls !!!!! God I cannot wait on Zimbabwe
explosion. EMOn
the 49th Parallel Thé Mulindwas
Communication Group
"With Yoweri
Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in
anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na
Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika machafuko"
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WB
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015
9:12 AM
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Subject: RE: {UAH} Hundreds drown off
Libya, EU leaders forced to reconsider migrant
crisis
Folks:
The tragedy unfolding in Libya has
consequences beyond Libya and Africa for that matter. I hope
the Italian security services are screening those boat
migrants because word out is that the ISIS monsters have
released criminals and mixed them with their sympathisers
and given them access to Europe. Yes for every ten people
one could be an ISIL mole planted to go to Europe and cause
damage. So if Italian and European security agents fail to
do a thorough interrogation things could soon very bad in
Europe. In plain English, ISIS is using boat migrants to
transport its members to European capitals to cause
havoc.
What ISIS is doing
is similar to what Fidel Castro did during the Mariel boat
ride. He emptied Cuban jails and gave safe passage
to criminals to Miami. Find out what happened in Miami
after. Crime skyrocketed as rape and murder hit the roof.
On as
serious note it is time for African countries to put
together strong military force to go and stabilize Libya.
The rebels could only win with NATO bombing. Talk about a
solution to problem gone terribly wrong. Egypt,
Algeria, Tunisia and some Sub Saharan African countries need
to come up with a 20, 000 strong force to go and liberate
Libya before it goes the Iraq way. If Liyba became
another Somali, things could very bad in the region
so time to act.
WBK
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Subject: {UAH} Hundreds drown off Libya, EU
leaders forced to reconsider migrant crisis
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 01:15:16
-0400Ugandans Let each African
country contribute 20 soldiers to be deployed at the
crossing points along the Libyan coastline to stop human
trafficking. Twenty soldiers from each country receiving
their local salaries can be mobilized and funded without a
big problem. At least we will have attempted to stop the
death toll. –Peter Simon
Okurut Some of the solutions these friends post in
forums live me wondering if Africa problems will ever be
solved. Peter Simon Okurut is a man from Eastern Uganda,
well let us raise the number of weapons collected out of his
region, and then ask him if Eastern Uganda is the most
developed and successful region in Uganda. Let us look at
the numbers of guns collected between 2nd
December 2001 and 17th January 2002 and that is a
span of only a month and something. Moroto
DistrictBokora County
-(As of 2 Dec 2001) 1059 guns collected, (As of 12 Dec
2001) 1163 guns collected, (As of 14 Jan 2002) 1536 guns
collected, (And as of 17 Jan 2002) 1560 guns
collected.Matheniko
County -(As of 2 Dec 2001) 500 guns collected, (As of
12 Dec 2001) 554 guns collected, (As of 14 Jan 2002) 669
guns collected, (And as of 17 Jan 2002) 671 guns
collected.Nakapiripirit DistrictChekwi county -(As of 2 Dec 2001) 270 guns
collected, (As of 12 Dec 2001) 336 guns collected, (As of
14 Jan 2002) 509 guns collected, (And as of 17 Jan 2002)
509 guns collected.Pian county
-(As of 2 Dec 2001) 0 guns collected, (As of 12 Dec
2001) 409 guns collected, (As of 14 Jan 2002) 575 guns
collected, (And as of 17 Jan 2002) 582 guns
collected.Pokot
county - (As of 2 Dec 2001) 101 guns collected, (As of
12 Dec 2001) 106 guns collected, (As of 14 Jan 2002) 348
guns collected, (And as of 17 Jan 2002) 352 guns
collected.Kotido
DistrictDodoth County
-(As of 2 Dec 2001) 438 guns collected, (As of 12
Dec 2001) 513 guns collected, (As of 14 Jan 2002) 1252 guns
collected, (And as of 17 Jan 2002) 1293 guns
collected.Jie county
-(As of 2 Dec 2001) 360 guns collected, (As of 12
Dec 2001) 623 guns collected, (As of 14 Jan 2002) 1198 guns
collected, (And as of 17 Jan 2002) 1240 guns
collected.Labowor county
-(As of 2 Dec 2001) 100 guns collected, (As of 12 Dec
2001) 319 guns collected, (As of 14 Jan 2002) 358 guns
collected, (And as of 17 Jan 2002) 386 guns
collected. If you want the sub total of weapons collected in a
single month you will get the following numbers, (As of 2
Dec 2001) 2828 guns collected, (As of 12 Dec 2001) 4023
guns collected, (As of 14 Jan 2002) 6445 guns collected,
(And as of 17 Jan 2002) 6593 guns collected in only three
districts, and yet a month before, 9763 guns had been
collected. These numbers are from UHCR (2003) Annual report
2001/2002. Friends if arming people brings security to
societies, everyone should have moved into Moroto,
Nakapiripirit let alone Kotido. And yet all sense tell us
that they were some of the very unsafe districts in
Uganda, a very reason Peter today is sitting in the
diaspora. So we have armed ourselves to the teeth and it
has failed to work, but if we arm a pile of soldiers from
each country and dump them into coast line that will solve
our problem. That kind of reasoning, gives me a constant
headache honestly, and one of those days I will just run
out of firkin Aspirins.
Gees
!!!!!!!!EMOn the 49th
Parallel Thé Mulindwas
Communication Group
"With Yoweri
Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in
anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na
Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika machafuko"
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Subject: {UAH} Hundreds drown off Libya,
EU leaders forced to reconsider migrant crisis Colleagues, Can we formulate a
local solution to this unnecessary death of our own? All
reports indicate that those attempting to cross the
Mediterranean Sea use Libyan coastline to connect to Italy
where they perish in the sea. One accident can be excused,
but not this trend that sees hundreds of immigrants
drowning. This is yet another
challenge which puts African countries in international
radar. Why can't we formulate a local solution. Up till
now, only European voices can be heard but none from Africa
yet the majority of the dead are Africans.Proposal: Let each
African country contribute 20 soldiers to be deployed at the
crossing points along the Libyan coastline to stop human
trafficking. Twenty soldiers from each country receiving
their local salaries can be mobilized and funded without a
big problem. At least we will have attempted to stop the
death toll. Peter
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