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---- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Sandro Karumidze wrote:
> > The issue is that in Unicode there is a sequence
> of Georgian
> > caracters different
> > from what this people think should be.
> > [...] In beginning of this century 5 characters
> were dropped
> > [...]
> > In Unicode this 5 characters follow 33. There
> is a different
> > point of view that those 5 should be included
> among the
> > ohters.
>
> (You definitely need an official reply, but let's
> go on with some more
> informal chatting.)
>
> I foresee that this would not be considered a good
> reason to change
> anything.
>
> The order of characters in Unicode (or in any other
> character encoding) is
> not important. The scope of a character set is
> to assign a unique number to
> each character, not to define an "alphabetical
> order".
>
Yeah. Just look at the kanji digits!
> If you notice, the situation that you describe
> is true for *all* the
> alphabets in Unicode.
>
> E.g., if you look at the Latin part, you see that
> the 26 letters used in
> modern English are all contiguously ordered in
> two areas: U0041 to U005A
> (uppercase) and U0061 to U007A (lowercase).
Yeah, but so what? All you gotta do is turn the 6th
bit off and there you go!
>
> But that's the end of the story! All the other
> 100's Latin letters are
> scattered all over, using no consistent order.
>
Too bad unicode values can't be fractions!!
> The same is true for Cyrillic, Greek, Hebrew, Arabic,
> and so on. Have a look
> at those blocks: the basic letters for post-czar
> Russian, modern Greek,
> Israeli Hebrew, modern Arabic etc. are consistently
> ordered, but the letters
> for other languages that use the same alphabets
> (or ancient letters for the
> same languages) are scattered all over with no
> specific order.
>
> The reason why no one cares about the order of
> characters is that it is
> *impossible* to determine a "correct" order.
>
> In alphabet used by more than one language (e.g.
> Latin, Cyrillic, Arabic,
> Devanagari, etc.), the alphabetic order is normally
> different for each
> language.
>
> Moreover, many languages have more than one alphabetic
> order, all equally
> valid and in current usage.
>
> For this reason the problem of "alphabetic order"
> has been pulled apart from
> character sets, and addressed separately.
>
> In Unicode, the issue of "collation" is handled
> by ad-hoc optional
> algorithm, that is part of the standard but is
> separated from the encoding
> issue itself.
>
> The algorithm is titled "Unicode Technical Report
> #10: Unicode Collation
> Algorithm", and you can find it here:
> http://www.unicode.org/unicode/reports/tr10/ .
>
> *That* is the place to check whether Georgian Letters
> are in the correct
> order or not. And if they are not, you have two
> options:
>
> 1) Ask Unicode to change it: here you *do* have
> some chances to be listened,
> if you have valid arguments.
>
> 2) Change it yourself: unlike the character values,
> the collation algorithm
> is designed to be flexible and customizable.
>
> Regards,
> _ Marco
>
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