On 23/07/2003 03:20, Paul Nelson (TYPOGRAPHY) wrote:

Please look at the definition of GCJ and other such characters.
Understand the differences between CGJ and ZWJ/ZWNJ.

This discussion is very disturbing to me because after reading through
the L2 document register it is unclear what is the difference between
GCJ and ZWJ use.

The fact that you desire a control character to not be treated as such
greatly concerns me. This really feels like people are trying to figure
out any way to twist existing constructs to avoid fixing the
normalization weights. I am alarmed from the implications of putting
control characters in place to somehow subvert the normalization.

In an ideal world we would simply correct these values. However, it has
been strongly communicated by the UTC that this cannot be done without
jeoparizing stability agreements with IETF. Peter Constable has posted a
document in the register on this topic that suggests a duplication of
characters as a solution.

Can we please have this topic put on the agenda for the next meeting of
the UTC?

Regards,

Paul




I support the proposal that UTC discuss this matter ASAP. But I have a strong body of evidence from Jewish and other scholars and Hebrew users that the proposal to assign separate characters for biblical Hebrew from modern Hebrew is completely unacceptable.

As for the details of CGJ, please tell me where I can find a detailed definition, and where it is specifically stated that a *rendering engine* is obliged to process this *internally* as a control character - and what precisely it is supposed to do with it if it does. I am now wondering if anyone understands what this character is supposed to be or do. If this is not clearly defined anywhere, perhaps UTC needs to write a clear definition. At least Ken Whistler seems to think that it is appropriate for this use. Meanwhile, if despite this CGJ is not in fact appropriate for this function, maybe we should propose a new character which does have the appropriate properties.

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Peter Kirk
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