Right, I was just pointing out that Turkish music is a potential complication if changing the glyph for MUSICAL SYMBOL QUARTER TONE FLAT.
Here's how I understand it: Arabic music - uses the flat-with-stroke exclusively as a quarter tone flat Western quarter tone music - uses the reversed flat and flat-with-stroke interchangeably as a quarter tone flat, but the reversed flat is more common Turkish music - uses both the reversed flat and flat-with-stroke contrastively (neither, strictly speaking, as a quarter tone flat since quarter tones do not exist in Turkish music) On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 1:41 PM, sami shumays <[email protected]> wrote: > Just one comment: the reversed flat is not commonly used in Arabic notation, > it is primarily a Turkish symbol. The symbols Johnny is proposing are > important so that we can have easy access to the symbols appropriate to our > music. > > Though Arabic and Turkish music systems share many characteristics, they are > not one unified system. And Johnny and I are not experts in the Turkish > system, although we have familiarity with it, so experts in Turkish music > would need to weigh in regarding any additional symbols needed for their > music. For Arabic Music notation, the two Johnny proposes would be > sufficient. > > -Sami > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Garth Wallace > Date:03/29/2015 4:02 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: Michael Everson > Cc: [email protected], Johnny Farraj , Sami Shumays > Subject: Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music > half-flat and half-sharp > > Wouldn't it be easier just to change the example glyphs for U+1D132 MUSICAL > SYMBOL QUARTER TONE SHARP and U+1D133 MUSICAL SYMBOL QUARTER TONE FLAT? The > ones currently in the charts do not appear to be in common use. > > The most common symbol for the quarter tone flat, from what I've gathered, > is a reversed flat sign. Some composers use the flat with stroke. One > potential complication: AIUI the Arel-Ezgi-Uzdilek system for notating > Turkish music, which divides each whole tone into nine koma, uses both, > along with a few altered sharps. > > On Sunday, March 29, 2015, Michael Everson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Johnny, > > I’m interested in working with you and Sami on this. > > These two characters are often referred to as quarter sharp and quarter flat > as well. The symbols are also widely used outside Arabic music. The western > classical tradition from the 20th century on is full of them. They're not > obscure symbols really. Musicians with even a moderate interest in > contemporary music are aware of them. > > I’m travelling in Sweden working on Blissymbols at the moment, but when I > get back home on Friday and can consult some of my reference works I’ll get > in touch with you. It shouldn’t take long to put something together. > > Michael Everson > > On 29 Mar 2015, at 05:21, Johnny Farraj <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear unicode list members, >> >> I wish to get feedback about a new character submission proposal. >> >> Currently the Miscellaneous Symbols table (2600-26FF) includes the >> following characters: >> >> 266D ♭ MUSIC FLAT SIGN >> 266F ♯ MUSIC SHARP SIGN >> >> while the Musical Symbols table (1D100 - 1D1FF) includes the following >> characters: >> >> 1D12A 𝄪 MUSICAL SYMBOL DOUBLE SHARP >> 1D12B 𝄫 MUSICAL SYMBOL DOUBLE FLAT >> 1D12C 𝄬 MUSICAL SYMBOL FLAT UP >> 1D12D 𝄭 MUSICAL SYMBOL FLAT DOWN >> 1D130 𝄰 MUSICAL SYMBOL SHARP UP >> 1D131 𝄱 MUSICAL SYMBOL SHARP DOWN >> 1D132 𝄲 MUSICAL SYMBOL QUARTER TONE SHARP >> 1D133 𝄳 MUSICAL SYMBOL QUARTER TONE FLAT >> >> I am proposing the addition of 2 new characters to the Musical Symbols >> table: >> >> - the half-flat sign (lower note by a quarter tone) >> - the half-sharp sign (raise note by a quarter tone) >> >> <half-flat sign.png> >> <half-sharp sign.png> >> >> >> These are widely used in Arabic music notation, and they express intervals >> that are multiples of quarter tones. >> >> I am the primary sponsor of this proposal. As far as my credentials, I am >> the owner of http://maqamworld.com, the most widely used online resource on >> Arabic music theory, in English. >> I can also enlist the support of many academics in the ethnomusicology >> field, who specialize in Arabic music. >> >> I welcome any feedback on this proposal. >> >> thanks >> >> Johnny Farraj >> [email protected] > > > _______________________________________________ > Unicode mailing list > [email protected] > http://unicode.org/mailman/listinfo/unicode _______________________________________________ Unicode mailing list [email protected] http://unicode.org/mailman/listinfo/unicode
