I guess it depends on what you’re representing.  If it is the concept of 
“double black”, then maybe a separate symbol and the “font” or other selectors 
determine if it’s vertically or horizontally rendered.

From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Philippe Verdy
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 2:56 PM
To: Jörg Knappen
Cc: Shervin Afshar; unicode Unicode Discussion
Subject: Re: Re: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes 
for novices

But observations show that the vertical stacking is not universal. Horizontal 
stacking is also used in direction signs. My opinion is that they are just two 
separate "diamonds" and not a single symbol.

Quite equivalent to the situation with the classification of hotels with stars 
(generally aligned horizontally but not always, we can see them also arranged 
vertically, or on two rows 1+1, 1+2 or 2+1 or 2+3 or 3+2...)

I don't think the exact layout of individual symbols (diamond, star, ...) is 
semantically significant, only their number is important  (and the fact they 
are grouped together on the same medium with the same foreground/background 
colors or tecturing and the same sizes).

2015-05-29 9:32 GMT+02:00 "Jörg Knappen" 
<jknap...@web.de<mailto:jknap...@web.de>>:
From the description of the symbol it looks like a geometric shape. I think it 
is worth to be encoded as a geometric shape (TWO BLACK DIAMONDS VERTICALLY 
STACKED or something like this) with a note * bunny hill. It may have (r find 
in future) other uses.

--Jörg Knappen

Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. Mai 2015 um 23:20 Uhr
Von: "Shervin Afshar" <shervinafs...@gmail.com<mailto:shervinafs...@gmail.com>>
An: "Shawn Steele" 
<shawn.ste...@microsoft.com<mailto:shawn.ste...@microsoft.com>>
Cc: "verd...@wanadoo.fr<mailto:verd...@wanadoo.fr>" 
<verd...@wanadoo.fr<mailto:verd...@wanadoo.fr>>, "unicode Unicode Discussion" 
<unicode@unicode.org<mailto:unicode@unicode.org>>, "Jim Melton" 
<jim.mel...@oracle.com<mailto:jim.mel...@oracle.com>>
Betreff: Re: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for 
novices
Since the double-diamond has map and map legend usage, it might be a good idea 
to have it encoded separately. I know that I'm stating the obvious here, but 
the important point is doing the research and showing that it has widespread 
usage.

↪ Shervin

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Shawn Steele 
<shawn.ste...@microsoft.com<http://shawn.ste...@microsoft.com>> wrote:
I’m used to them being next to each other.  So the entire discussion seems to 
be about how to encode a concept vs how to get the shape you want with existing 
code points.   If you just want the perfect shape, then maybe an svg is a 
better choice.  If we’re talking about describing ski-run difficulty levels in 
plain-text, then the hodge-podge of glyphs being offered in this thread seems 
kinda hacky to me.

-Shawn

From: ver...@gmail.com<http://ver...@gmail.com> 
[mailto:ver...@gmail.com<http://ver...@gmail.com>] On Behalf Of Philippe Verdy
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 2:12 PM
To: Jim Melton
Cc: Shawn Steele; unicode Unicode Discussion
Subject: Re: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for 
novices

Some documentations also suggest that the two diamonds are not stacked one 
above the other, but horizontally. It's a good point for using only one symbol, 
encoding it twice in plain-text if needed.

2015-05-28 22:15 GMT+02:00 Jim Melton 
<jim.mel...@oracle.com<http://jim.mel...@oracle.com>>:
I no longer ski, but I did so for many years, mostly (but not exclusively) in 
the western United States.  I never encountered, at any USA ski 
hill/mountain/resort, a special symbol for "bunny hills", which are typically 
represented by the green circle meaning "beginner".  That's anecdotal evidence 
at best, but my observations cover numerous skiing sites.  I have encountered 
such a symbol in Europe and in New Zealand, but not in the USA.  (I have not 
had the pleasure of skiing in Canada and am thus unable to speak about ski 
areas in that country.)

The double black diamond would appear to be a unique symbol worthy of encoding, 
simply because the only valid typographical representation (in the USA) is two 
single black diamonds stacked one above the other and touching at the points.

Hope this helps,
   Jim

On 5/28/2015 2:04 PM, Shawn Steele wrote:
So is double black diamond a separate symbol?  Or just two of the black diamond?

And Blue-Black?

I’m drawing a blank on a specific bunny sign, in my experience those are 
usually just green.

Aren’t there a lot of cartography symbols for various systems that aren’t 
present in Unicode?

From: Unicode 
[mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org<http://unicode-boun...@unicode.org>] On 
Behalf Of Philippe Verdy
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 12:47 PM
To: unicode Unicode Discussion
Subject: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for 
novices

Is there a symbol that can represent the "Bunny hill" symbol used in North 
America and some other American territories with mountains, to designate the 
ski pistes open to novice skiers (those pistes are signaled with green signs in 
Europe).

I'm looking for the symbol itself, not the color, or the form of the sign.

For example blue pistes in Europe are designed with a green circle in America, 
but we have a symbol for the circle; red pistes in Europe are signaled by a 
blue square in America, but we have a symbol for the square; black pistes in 
Europe are signaled by a black diamond in America, but we also have such 
"black" diamond in Unicode.

But I can't find an equivalent to the American "Bunny hill" signal, equivalent 
to green pistes in Europe (this is a problem for webpages related to skiing: do 
we have to embed an image ?).



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