2017-03-23 6:54 GMT+01:00 Martin J. Dürst <due...@it.aoyama.ac.jp>: > Hello Michael, others, > > On 2017/03/23 09:03, Michael Everson wrote: > >> On 22 Mar 2017, at 21:39, David Starner <prosfil...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > There's the same characters here, written in different ways. >>> >> >> No, it’s not. Its the same diphthong (a sound) written with different >> letters. >> > > The closes to the current case that I was able to find was the German ß. > It has roots in both an ss and an sz (to be precise, an ſs and an ſz) > ligature (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ß). And indeed in some fonts, > its right part looks more like an s, and in other fonts more like a z (and > in lower case, more often like an s, but in upper case, much more like a > (cursive) Z). Nevertheless, there is only one character (or two if you > count upper case) encoded, because anything else would be highly confusing > to virtually all users. >
This is a good case for encoding explicit variants, including for the two German ß, to distinguish letter forms in historic (medieval?) texts where ſs and ſz were more distinguished. This does not require disuynification, and fonts that can have both forms can choose the correct glyph to use for each variant, and take a default form for the unified character depending on the contextual language (if it is detected) or based on the font style itself (if it was initially designed for a specific language, notably in medieval styles). > What is right for Deseret has to be decided by and for Deseret users, > rather than by script historians. > In historic texts it is not clear which letter form is better than the other, and historic Deseret was basically for a single language (but there may have been regional variants prefering a form instead of the other). I think that now the distinction is in fact more recent, where some eople will want to distinguish them for new uses with dinstinctions. Here also a variant encoding would solve these special cases but we should not disunify the character (and in fact there's not a lot of fonts except for fancy usages, such as trying to mimic handwritten styles for specific authors about how they draw these shapes; I've not seen however any conclusive case of distinction in typesetted texts). In fact we are in a situation similar to the case of shapes for decimal digits like 4 (open or closed), 7 (with an overstriking bar or none), or 0 (with an overstriking slash or dot, or none), 3 (with an angular or circle top part), or letters like g (with a curled leg drawn counterclockwise, or just a bottom foot from right to left: here a distinctive shape was encoded for the IPA symbol) > > Regards, Martin. >