Thanks! Le dim. 27 mai 2018 22:18, Garth Wallace <gwa...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> Philippe is entirely correct here. The fact that a symbol has somewhat > different meanings in different contexts does not mean that it is actually > multiple visually identical symbols. Otherwise Unicode would be re-encoding > the Latin alphabet many, many times over. > > During most of Bach's career, the prevailing tuning system was meantone. > He wrote the Well-Tempered Clavier to explore the possibilities afforded by > a new tuning system called well temperament. In the modern era, his work > has typically been played in 12-tone equal temperament. That does not mean > that the ♯ that Bach used in his score for the Well-Tempered Clavier was > not the same symbol as the ♯ in his other scores, or that they somehow > invisibly became yet another symbol when the score is opened on the music > desk of a modern Steinway. > > On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 2:58 PM, Philippe Verdy <verd...@wanadoo.fr> > wrote: > >> Even flat notes or rythmic and pause symbols in Western musical notations >> have different contextual meaning depending on musical keys at start of >> scores, and other notations or symbols added above the score. So their >> interpretation are also variable according to context, just like tuning in >> a Arabic musical score, which is also keyed and annotated differently. >> These keys can also change within the same partition score. >> So both the E12 vs. E24 systems (which are not incompatible) may also be >> used in Western and Arabic music notations. The score keys will give the >> interpretation. >> Tone marks taken isolately mean absolutely nothing in both systems >> outside the keyed scores in which they are inserted, except that they are >> just glyphs, which may be used to mean something else (e.g. a note in a >> comics artwork could be used to denote someone whistling, without actually >> encoding any specific tone, or rythmic). >> >> >> 2018-05-17 17:48 GMT+02:00 Hans Åberg via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org>: >> >>> >>> >>> > On 17 May 2018, at 16:47, Garth Wallace via Unicode < >>> unicode@unicode.org> wrote: >>> > >>> > On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 12:41 AM Hans Åberg <haber...@telia.com> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > > On 17 May 2018, at 08:47, Garth Wallace via Unicode < >>> unicode@unicode.org> wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 12:42 AM, Hans Åberg via Unicode < >>> unicode@unicode.org> wrote: >>> > >> >>> > >> It would be best to encode the SMuFL symbols, which is rather >>> comprehensive and include those: >>> > >> https://www.smufl what should be unified.org >>> > >> http://www.smufl.org/version/latest/ >>> > >> ... >>> > >> >>> > >> These are otherwise originally the same, but has since drifted. So >>> whether to unify them or having them separate might be best to see what >>> SMuFL does, as they are experts on the issue. >>> > >> >>> > > SMuFL's standards on unification are not the same as Unicode's. For >>> one thing, they re-encode Latin letters and Arabic digits multiple times >>> for various different uses (such as numbers used in tuplets and those used >>> in time signatures). >>> > >>> > The reason is probably because it is intended for use with music >>> engraving, and they should then be rendered differently. >>> > >>> > Exactly. But Unicode would consider these a matter for font switching >>> in rich text. >>> >>> One original principle was ensure different encodings, so if the >>> practise in music engraving is to keep them different, they might be >>> encoded differently. >>> >>> > > There are duplicates all over the place, like how the half-sharp >>> symbol is encoded at U+E282 as "accidentalQuarterToneSharpStein", at U+E422 >>> as "accidentalWyschnegradsky3TwelfthsSharp", at U+ED35 as >>> "accidentalQuarterToneSharpArabic", and at U+E444 as "accidentalKomaSharp". >>> They are graphically identical, and the first three even all mean the same >>> thing, a quarter tone sharp! >>> > >>> > But the tuning system is different, E24 and Pythagorean. Some Latin >>> and Greek uppercase letters are exactly the same but have different >>> encodings. >>> > >>> > Tuning systems are not scripts. >>> >>> That seems obvious. As I pointed out above, the Arabic glyphs were >>> originally taken from Western ones, but have a different musical meaning, >>> also when played using E12, as some do. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >
