Did you all hear the bit he said that was replayed on the Leno show?
The part about OB/Gyns?
If not, I'll try to find a link.  In the context of discussing how
doctors are getting sued too often, and how good docs can't afford to
practice, he said, "OB/GYNs are being preventing from practicing their
LOVE on women all over the country..."  I can't believe he said that.
 


ELISABETH DUBIN
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Subject: Re: [UC] Debates Ahead

Dr. Pierce teeters on the edge of making a diagnosis, but his remarks
"Bush should immediately be given the advantage of a considered
professional diagnosis,..." suggest that he means to offer a
professional opinion, rather than a diagnosis.

Elliot

On 08 Sep 2004, at 12:53, John Ellingsworth wrote:

> It seems terribly unprofessional for a doctor to make a diagnosis 
> through a letter to the editor, even with the disclaimer of 
> accountability.
>
> A more plausible theory is that Carl Rove said "George, THINK BEFORE 
> YOU SPEAK!"
>
> [
> http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF
> -8&tab=wn&scoring=d&q=%22carl+rove%22&btnG=Search+News
> ]
>
> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Suzanne Minnis wrote:
>
>>> These letters were in the current (October) issue of the Atlantic.
>>> sue
>>>
>>> When George Meets John
>>>
>>> ames Fallows's description of John Kerry's debating skills ("When 
>>> George Meets John," July/August Atlantic) was interesting, but what 
>>> was most remarkable was Fallows's documentation of President Bush's 
>>> mostly overlooked changes over the past decade-specifically, "the 
>>> striking decline in his sentence-by-sentence speaking skills."
>>> Fallows points to "speculations that there must be some organic 
>>> basis for the President's peculiar mode of speech-a learning 
>>> disability, a reading problem, dyslexia or some other disorder," but

>>> correctly concludes, "The main problem with these theories is that 
>>> through his forties Bush was perfectly articulate."
>>>
>>> I, too, felt that something organic was wrong with President Bush, 
>>> most probably dyslexia. But I was unaware of what Fallows pointed 
>>> out so clearly: that Bush's problems have been developing slowly, 
>>> and that just a decade ago he was an articulate debater, "artful 
>>> indeed in steering questions and challenges to his desired 
>>> subjects," who "did not pause before forcing out big words, as he so

>>> often does now, or invent mangled new ones." Consider, in contrast, 
>>> the present: "the informal Q&As he has tried to avoid," "Bush's 
>>> recent faltering performances," "his unfortunate puzzled-chimp 
>>> expression when trying to answer questions," "his stalling, 
>>> defensive pose when put on the spot," "speaking more slowly and less

>>> gracefully."
>>>
>>> Not being a professional medical researcher and clinician, Fallows 
>>> cannot be faulted for not putting two and two together. But he was 
>>> 100 percent correct in suggesting that Bush's problem cannot be "a 
>>> learning disability, a reading problem, [or] dyslexia," because 
>>> patients with those problems have always had them. Slowly developing

>>> cognitive deficits, as demonstrated so clearly by the President, can

>>> represent only one diagnosis, and that is "presenile dementia"!
>>> Presenile dementia is best described to nonmedical persons as a 
>>> fairly typical Alzheimer's situation that develops significantly 
>>> earlier in life, well before what is usually considered old age. It 
>>> runs about the same course as typical senile dementias, such as 
>>> classical Alzheimer's-to incapacitation and, eventually, death, as 
>>> with President Ronald Reagan, but at a relatively earlier age.
>>> President Bush's "mangled" words are a demonstration of what 
>>> physicians call "confabulation," and are almost specific to the dia!
> gnosis of a true dementia. Bush should immediately be given the 
> advantage of a considered professional diagnosis, and started on drugs

> that offer the possibility of retarding the slow but inexorable course

> of the disease.
>>>
>>> Joseph M. Price, M.D.
>>> Carsonville, Mich.
>>>
>>> he whole of James Fallows's article on Bush and Kerry's debate 
>>> styles was interesting, but one comment jumped out at me: "[Bush] 
>>> has rarely been interested in the details of any policy matter, 
>>> believing that he 'has people' who can master the subject for him."
>>> What further proof is needed that Bush's policy decisions are based 
>>> on whatever his "people" choose to tell him? Naturally they will 
>>> tell him whatever (and only whatever) supports their own agendas.
>>>
>>> Although, as Mary Beth Rogers says in the Fallows article, his 
>>> "ability to stick to his message and repeat it" might be 
>>> "remarkable," it implies to me that he doesn't know enough to answer

>>> questions that go beyond the text he has been given by his "people."
>>> I suspect that his "widely noted lack of eloquence" is due to his 
>>> understandable insecurity. If the ideas he is expressing are not his

>>> ideas, based on his own knowledge and decision-making, then he can 
>>> only repeat by rote what he has rehearsed.
>>>
>>> Bush's lack of interest in details gives unprecedented power to his 
>>> advisers (read "puppeteers")-in this case the extremists of the 
>>> military/industrial/religious-right coalition who are currently 
>>> running the White House, the country, and, if they have their way, 
>>> the world. We need an independent thinker in the Oval Office.
>>>
>>> Anne Carpenter
>>> Fair Haven, N.J.
>>>
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