Oh, oh.  You're absolutely right.  Almost all of it is not food.  None
of it's food at all!  We're all going to die!   


ELISABETH DUBIN
Hillier ARCHITECTURE
One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636-9999 | F
215 636-9989 | hillier.com

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Defendorf
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:35 PM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary

While I bemoan the loss of the cheesestake place and the salad place
from the Moravian Cafe, you can't tell me that just because they were
not chains, that the food was any less bad for you to eat than the food
at a Taco Bell or KFC.

It's all about the (food) choices you make.

My question is: how do they think they can fit both a CVS *and* several
food places in that area?  It ain't all that big!

gail

Dubin, Elisabeth wrote:

>Of course you are allowed to voice your opinion.  But we have an 
>obesity issue these days, not to mention hypertension and high
cholesterol.
>Sorry, but since some people out there don't know that this crap is 
>hardly food at all (given how unhealthy it is) I think the more of 
>these places there are the more the trickery continues.  It's not
FOOD!!!
>Just because it's in a restaurant doesn't mean it's food.  (It's
people.
>Hah hah.)
> 
>
>
>ELISABETH DUBIN
>Hillier ARCHITECTURE
>One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636-9999 | F
>215 636-9989 | hillier.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Myers
>Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:39 PM
>To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
>Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary
>
>I understand the importance of eating at local mom and pop stores, and 
>I frequent them often. But I actually agree that U of P should have 
>some "fast food" chains that international and national students are 
>accustomed to.
>Places like KFC, and Taco Bell may attract the wrong kind of people 
>Penn wants in their neighborhood, but they are all relatively 
>inexpensive for a quick meal. Also, you know what you are expecting.
>
>As a side note, I have been asking my Uncle (who owns most of the KFC's

>and Taco Bells you are referring to) to put one in University city. He 
>was having a hard time with Penn wanting only family-based businesses 
>around.
>Well, there's a problem with that. Once you force all the low to middle

>income families out of the Penn area (because that is exactly what 
>you'll do with only snobby over priced restaurants), Penntrification 
>will be here at last! But to the opposite extreme. I think there needs 
>to be a equal amount (or at least proportionate amount) of all kinds of

>restaurants. And the fact is, there is not one KFC, Taco Bell, Burger 
>King, Wendy's, White Castle, Arthur treacher's, Bob's Big Boys, 
>Denny's, Arby's, Chik-Filet, Pizza Hut, or other common fast food place

>you can normally find anywhere else but in the immediate University 
>City District. So I actually support some other options that students 
>can go to.
>
>I am sure to get some emails regarding my opinion. But I am allowed to 
>voice it even if it doesn't match yours.
>
>Dan Myers
>215.901.0899
>Certified Massage Practitioner
>-----------------------------------------------
>"Healing is related to our capacity to experience and embrace life as 
>it is. Often this means accepting the unacceptable, making peace with 
>disintegration, and loving whatever we face."
>-Rachel Harris, MD
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dubin, Elisabeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Mark Krull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ben" 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <UnivCity@list.purple.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:43 AM
>Subject: RE: [UC] Sad commentary
>
>
>  
>
>>Who cares about "the element"?  If anyone would care, it would be the 
>>university, and clearly they don't have a problem with the idea of 
>>attracting "the element."  I'm totally grossed out by the idea of
>>    
>>
>those
>  
>
>>food choices going into the Moravian, and it's not out of snobbery -- 
>>KFC and Taco Bell food make me actually nauseous.  But more
>>    
>>
>importantly,
>  
>
>>THEY ARE TOTALLY BAD FOR YOU "(especially the KFC) and the university 
>>should realize that students with little time and money will go there
>>    
>>
>as
>  
>
>>the path of least resistance.  The leadership owes it to their own 
>>student body to provide healthier options, I mean, it's like setting
>>    
>>
>up
>  
>
>>a liquor store next to an AA clinic.  Jeez.  I can't get over it.  You

>>would also think the university would try to de-franchise their image
>>    
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>-
>  
>
>>I mean, what do they have on Walnut now?  A GAP, an Ann Taylor Loft, a

>>Barnes-and-Noble-student-bookstore, a COSI... The only non-franchised 
>>stuff there is the White Dog and Avril 50.  Am I wrong in thinking
>>    
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>that
>  
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>>a college town should have, god forbid, character?  I'm going to cut
>>    
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>and
>  
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>>paste this mini-tirade and send it to the DP.
>>
>>P.S. Let the record show that I agree with Al (!).
>>
>>
>>ELISABETH DUBIN
>>Hillier ARCHITECTURE
>>One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636-9999 |
>>    
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>F
>  
>
>>215 636-9989 | hillier.com
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Krull
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:09 AM
>>To: Ben; UnivCity@list.purple.com
>>Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary
>>
>>It might be that they are not as upscale and might invite the
>>    
>>
>"element"
>  
>
>>Thats my guess
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Apr 19, 2005 8:59 AM
>>To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
>>Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary
>>
>>At 08:01 AM 4/19/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>>>Today's DP has an article about what's going into the commercial 
>>>space at 34th & Walnut to replace the Moravian cafe etc. IM(not 
>>>so)HO, it's either a sad commentary on the penn Administration for 
>>>thinking this
>>>      
>>>
>is
>  
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>>>the way to serve the University and surrounding Communites, or a sad 
>>>commentary on the University and surrounding communities for this
>>>      
>>>
>being
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>>>what they actually want.
>>>      
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>>I must be sad because I'm happy about the choices of what is moving
>>    
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>in.
>  
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>>While I've never been to Quiznos, I'm happy to see some of the fast
>>    
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>food
>  
>
>>I enjoy eating being in the area.  The KFC at 45th and market is scary

>>and the one on Broad & whatever isn't the best.  I frequent the T-Bell

>>on City line which is nice but I'm happy not to have to drive that far

>>when I'm craving these places.  While these aren't places I say I go
>>    
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>to
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>>often, it's nice to have them close.
>>
>>What is the issue you have with them?
>>
>>-Ben
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