Yes. I wondered about ³spanging² as well.
On 2/23/07 5:22 PM, "SKnight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kyle, > > Your refusal to use spell-check drives me to distraction. However, I usually > always figure out the errant word or phrase mangled. But this phrase really > has me completely baffled. What the hell is "spanging" in relation to > gauntlet? > Sande Knight >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Kyle Cassidy <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: Mike <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; UC List >> <mailto:UnivCity@list.purple.com> >> >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 11:17 AM >> >> Subject: RE: [UC] More about the liquor store/mosque >> >> >> >> >> I think _everybody_ probably has concerns about the idea of a liquor store >> opening up across from their house. Especially if you've been to the one on >> Market street -- it's archetecturally hideous and is besotted with >> panhandlers, you need to run a spanging gauntlet both on the way in and the >> way out -- the very steriotype of a seedy, urban liquor store. Nobody wants >> their kids walking home from school through a stream of winos. but i do think >> that it's likely if some of our good neighbors are walking from their homes >> to this place and back that the extra foot traffic will be good rather than >> bad, that you people (and our entitled penn kids streaming up and back from >> 40th) will prevent rather than cause crime as will the swarm of bike cops >> and safety ambassadors who will no doubt flit about them. >> >> we hope that the new location, the "community leaders" (whomever they are) >> expressed desire for an "upscale" wine and spirits shoppe, and good >> neighbors at the restaurant school, the mosque, and the supermarket will be >> vigilant in applying pressure on both the store management and the penn >> police to enforce loitering laws, sweep the parking lot, and be good >> neighbors themselves. after all, if it's merely a transplant of the market >> street store, i'm still going to center city to buy my Veuve Cliquot. The >> beer distributor, despite its ugly exterior, has been very good at >> discouraging loitering and has been, in my experience, a good neighbor. >> >> I hope that the zoning board and the mosque can come to an agreement that's >> beneficial to everyone, perhaps through some use of parking facilities at >> certain times. >> >> As for concerns that it is too close to the school, we must be sure to let >> it be known during the zoning board meeting that patrons of the liquor store >> MUST be _carded_ in accordance with the law and that k-8 students NOT be >> served. in that, i thnk, we are united. >> >> kc >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Mike >> Sent: Fri 2/23/2007 10:27 AM >> To: UC List >> Subject: Re: [UC] More about the liquor store/mosque >> >> I find some of these arguments misguided at best and disingenuous at >> worst. >> >> On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:10:18 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >>> > For those who think I was making up the opposition being voiced by the >>> > people at the mosque -- this, now, as a follow-up in today's DP. >>> > >>> > A voice of rationality in a world of hyperbole ® Al Krigman >>> > >>> > ---------------- >>> > >>> > >>> > Potential move brings potential conflict Possible move of liquor store >>> > to 43rd, Walnut brings protest from local mosque Madeleine Kronovet >>> > >>> > For students living on Beige Block, the potential move of the liquor >>> > store closer to the area may be a godsend. >>> > >>> > But to Ahmed Rushdie, the news is nothing less than "insulting." >>> > >>> > Officials familiar with the negotiations say that there are talks to >>> > move the 41st and Market streets liquor store to 43rd and Walnut >>> > streets, a location close in proximity to a K-8 school and a >>> > community mosque. >>> > >>> > The Masjid Al-Jamia Mosque is located at 4228 Walnut St., while the >>> > Penn-Alexander school is at 4209 Spruce St. >>> > >>> > Rushdie, a professor in Penn's Near Eastern Language and >>> > Civilizations Department and a board member of Masjid Al-Jamia, says >>> > the move raises serious issues for Muslims in the area - under >>> > Islamic law, it is illegal for Muslims to consume alcohol. >> >> And what, they're unable to control those alcohol-consuming impulses? >> What about the beer distributor across the street? Or are the impulses >> to consume wine and hard liquor harder to control than those to consume >> beer? This objection really doesn't hold water as far as I can see. >> >>> > Rushdie's concerns go further than religious convictions, however: He >>> > said Masjid Al-Jamia is most concerned about the possible negative >>> > side effects that a liquor store might have for the area. >>> > >>> > "Most importantly, it's really bad for the neighborhood because there >>> > are many families, and [it would be] less than 300 feet from the >>> > school on 42nd" Street, he said. "We're not disputing the relocation >>> > of this store because it's a religious matter only." >> >> Again, the beer distributor is right there, so the fact that alcohol is >> available isn't going to change. If it's the down-and-out clientele that >> they're worried about, assuming the liquor store that goes in is a >> higher-end store as has previously been suggested, the crowd attracted >> by the liquor store has just as much chance of being a clientele that is >> good for the neighborhood. Granted, if they just transplanted the 41st >> and Market store (or worse yet, the 49th and Baltimore store) as is, I >> could see the concern. >> >>> > Although the Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board has denied that there >>> > are present plans to move the store, Spruce Hill Community >>> > Association officials and the building's developer have both confirmed >>> > that a zoning-board meeting >>> > - in which community members will be allowed to voice their concerns >>> > - will be held Feb. 28 to discuss the move. >>> > >>> > "I'm sure the mosque will be there, make their case [and] be heard," >>> > said Barry Grossbach, chairman of the Spruce Hill Zoning Committee. >>> > All parties "have the right to speak, and then the zoning committee >>> > decides." >>> > >>> > If the PLCB were to move locations, they would need to obtain a >>> > permit approved by the Zoning Board of Adjustment. >>> > >>> > And the Muslim community hopes that, at the meeting, its voice will >>> > be heard. >>> > >>> > "If this is the motivation of the establishment or to further fuel >>> > the pockets of the government through liquor tax, I'm unsure," said >>> > area resident Asalamu Alaikum, a member of Masjid Al-Jamia. "However, >>> > we all agree that we don't want to see our community fall victim to >>> > these types of establishments, as others have done all too often." >> >> What are "these types of establishments"? Places that sell alcohol? >> Welcome to America. Those are all around, and unless they're saying that >> the mosque members can resist the temptations of alcohol as long as it's >> not right across the street, I don't see how this store would change the >> fact that alcohol is an ever-present temptation in our society. Whether >> or now their community "falls victim" to wine stores has nothing to do >> with the wine stores and everything to do with the community. >> >>> > College junior Artina Sheikh, vice president of the Penn Muslim >>> > Student Association, also spoke out against the possible relocation. >>> > >>> > "The MSA is extremely concerned over this issue and objects to this >>> > establishment because of the moral implications of permitting wider >>> > distribution of alcohol to society at large," she said. >> >> The decision to permit wide distribution to alcohol to society at large >> was taken a long time ago, after something called Prohibition didn't >> work. This store has nothing to do with that -- it's merely moving one >> of the distribution points. Another argument I find difficult to fathom >> coming from an intelligent member of society. >> >>> > But Grossbach said he hopes that an amiable conclusion can eventually >>> > be reached. >>> > >>> > "Everyone is looking to find some solution ? that is acceptable >>> > across the board," he said. >>> > >>> > >>> > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers >>> > free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at >>> > http://www.aol.com. >> >> ---- >> You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the >> list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see >> <http://www.purple.com/list.html>. >> >
