Oh, Glenn, you don't need any help making a fool out of your criticisms. - Mike V.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer There have been several different reports about the incident at Malcolm X Park. Not a single denial of the student accounts has been made and an "official" but extremely useless statement has come from UCD that suggests that the student accounts are not what is disputed. UCD and Penn could prove the students to be liars and stop the speculation too. I believe the students and the reporters until UCD proves that they are liars and all the reporters are stupid. But I believe that you just want this to be covered over and forgotten. Isn't that the reason for your posts about the word "prisoner" and "hearsay?" Isn't the current problem the reason that entities like UCD must not be permitted to operate behind a wall of secrecy, in the first place, with no need to ever provide any truthful acountability? Why do you continue to sugget that people in this community should stop discussing this matter? Cassidy is demanding a criminal conviction or I should shut-up. Why don't you focus on giving him a lecture on non-criminal violations of the 501 c3 laws? None of us have the resources to independently ascertain the truth. Can we agree that UCD is refusing to clear-up everyone's silly speculations? Wouldn't it be great if Wendell Lewis made a fool out of my criticisms of UCD? I'd certainly look like a complete idiot. Come on Wendell, we're all pulling for ya. ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:56 AM Subject: Fwd: [UC] The UCD answer I know some people on the list may get into legal debates, but I'm not one, really. But I must tell you that quotation marks don't negate hearsay but rather prove it. And you're correct that newspapers are full of it. That's why you don't usually see newspapers introduced into evidence in court! And while you're correct that the truth sometimes does align with the hearsay, you're also agreeing that it doesn't always. I'm not unable to believe anything about the incident but rather am objecting to those who are sure they know the truth based upon a newspaper article. And I know people don't believe everything they read in the paper any more than they believe everything a cop tells them. You may well be right in your reliance but it's possible you're not. -----Original Message----- From: Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wed, 30 May 2007 1:24 am Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer On May 29, 2007, at 11:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I stated before, you're determining facts based on double hearsay - you read what the reporter wrote about what someone may have told her. If there were a good investigation, one thing it would do is have people interviewed and actually asked the questions directly about what happened. The student appears to have told the reporter directly, by the way, if that's what the quotation marks around his statements mean, so it's no more hearsay than any other newspaper report and certainly not "double hearsay" since the student did not speak for or about anyone but himself. People with lots of experience actually asking questions of witnesses will tell you that what people really know often doesn't align with what other people think the witnesses know, or what the reporter said. It happens all the time. People with lots of experience actually asking questions of witnesses will also tell me that what people know often *exactly* aligns with what other people think the witnesses know, or what the reporter said. So what? Why are some people on this list so unable to believe that the saintly John Fenton might have made a mistake? I honestly don't believe UCD would have suspended John Fenton if nothing at all had occurred. I think they're investigating *how* it happened, not if. Frank = _____ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000437> AOL.com. _____ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.1/822 - Release Date: 5/28/2007 11:40 AM
