----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:31 PM Subject: Integrity [was: Re: [UC] Surveys]
In a message dated 3/7/08 11:23:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It’s like asking a group of freshman, should Mr. Smith receive heart surgery or antibiotics? The sample may have many reasons for their choice including flipping a coin. The only right answer is that forming an opinion on the basis of this information has no value and pretending it does is irresponsible. Statistics are only relevant if you know what opinion you’re measuring and if the sample has sufficient and accurate information. I agree, Glenn, and I would suggest that the signed petitions opposing the hotel project also have this same flaw: we don't know what information was given to the signers before they put their names on the paper. Lamond, you don’t even know what I’m talking about. But you are grasping at straws attempting your trademark attempt to discredit your opponents with nothing. Individuals could always provide false information before collecting petition signatures or surveys. Any other comparison between presenting petitions and presenting research evidence is ridiculous. It would be like comparing apples and snakes. You wouldn't understand. Your attempt to suggest that someone misled a signator, because of not having a discussion of each part of a dog and pony show by an outfit with no credibility, wouldn’t hold up even if someone trustworthy presented it. The dramatization, the probing questions with your friend, and your interpretation would be called grasping at straws. But the account would need to be given by someone with credibility or it would just look like another dishonest manufactured attempt to personally attack the opposition. Of course, you immediately think of your neighbors providing dishonest information because dishonest information is the usual technique of you and the anointed, as is generalizing and asserting your agendas as the community goals. I’ve never heard the anti-hotel petition gatherers ever claim to speak for the community like the anointed do. I believe your discovery of a "flaw" is partly psychological projection based on your own devotion to misinformation. And of course, your willingness to make unfounded personal attacks. Credibility and integrity: July 30, 2007, Melani writes about [EMAIL PROTECTED]: "Kyle CAN ban that individual on the new list, but he won't, if the individual is civil to his fellow list members. Anyone can sign up, and the archives are public, so even non members can read what's written. There's no conspiracy and lots of transparency..." And you write, "Some renewed conspiracy theories, one generated new spoof posts, and as usual, a small but noisy group attacked the person who saw a need to do something and actually DID it. But, why should we be stuck with a dysfunctional list which will not change?" You were wrong about every part of this! You were part of a group that attempted to intimidate the entire public list by leaving "uncivil conduct" undefined, as well as the identities of the uncivil ranters, other than me, unidentified. Your justifications for barking cheese were obviously a personal attack to intimidate/embarrass a few of us for dissent against gang rule. And you tried to intimidate everyone with your gang’s power over dissent through your connection to the powerful Penn computer system. But others and I also explained, that from our experience, your gang was setting up a protected environment. All of you would be able to continue to launch your usual uncivil attempts to destroy discussion on the real public list while having a protected environment to spread misinformation to new subscribers recruited from Penn and disingenuously point to your protected "good neighbor" misinformation as support for projects like the hotel. Mysteriously, as soon as the hotel issue heats up, poor Kyle has trouble with Spam. Why didn’t any other Annenberg lists described as "public" close their archives at that time? You are causing a potential embarrassment for Annenberg which is advertising your protected good neighbor environment as public. It is laughable for you to accuse any of the petition gatherers of a lack of integrity. Several of us ranters tried to explain to you personally that one day we would be vindicated and you would be a laughing stock if you kept this behavior. That day has arrived! "If only all of our neighbors would show that amount of honesty and integrity!" This statement, coming from you, is called hypocrisy! You should have paid attention to Roger. You have never attempted to engage me or others in honest civil debate or discussion. I will treat you the way you deserve until you stop the personal attacks, apologize to the list and the community for your consistent and obvious betrayal, and stop your uncivil obfuscatory tactics. Laughing at you, Mr. Moyer For example, I received a phone call from a friend who had been asked to sign, and knew that I didn't oppose the project. So she wanted to get another viewpoint before committing. How many folks take the time to do that, seek out other points of view to see if they, too, have some validity? She said she'd been told that the petition circulator was concerned about the shadows the tall building would cause. Yes, I said, the developer's shadow study indicated that there would indeed be shadows in winter - but not at other times of the year. There was silence from her end of the phone. I asked if the petition circulator had said that she or he DIDN'T BELIEVE the developer's shadow study results. The silence on her end continued. Didn't they TELL you about the shadow study? I asked. No, she replied. So, if she'd signed the petition based on a concern about shadows, she'd have been signing without full information, without an honest explanation of the pros and cons of the situation. When he was president of Cedar Park Neighbors, Roger Harman made a great impression on me with his habit of always giving both sides of the picture, even when he was hoping to promote one rather than the other. He always stated the case he hoped would prevail, but then continued, saying "ON THE OTHER HAND," and launching into an explanation of the other point of view. If only all of our neighbors would show that amount of honesty and integrity! - Melani Lamond Melani Lamond, Associate Broker Urban & Bye, Realtor 3529 Lancaster Ave. Philadelphia, PA 19104 cell phone 215-356-7266 office phone 215-222-4800, ext. 113 office fax 215-222-1101 ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. 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