I DO hope the lazy teacher comment was tongue-in-cheek. (I believe so anyway) It¹s a direct quote from the political ³prevailing winds¹²
On 5/26/08 9:47 PM, "Glenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > " It¹s not who moves in, but who moves out and takes the resources with them. > > Those who were left behind would not be able to access those resources and > have the sort of education that would make them competitive with their ³public > school² counterparts across the City Line. > > Now, the converse is taking place with the help of private corporations such > as Penn, (but not solely Penn). > > What I found most interesting about the article in PW is the quote form a > neighbor who has noted the reduction of African-American families in the area > in the time they have lived there. I have been saying for years and endured > vehement denials from others this would be the result of all Penn-influenced > situation. > > Usually one is glad to be slightly vindicated but not in this case." > > > > Wilma, I feel the same about the vindication! What you say is all true. > > But good people in the district are supposed to claim that the real estate > schemes are all designed as Penn/corporate charity. Everyone important is > happy. Gentrification is the only potential hope for excluded city families. > Questions about gentrification are the same as hate mail for the kids that > belong on the wrong side of the tracks. > > The only education issue in poor districts is lazy teachers. And if we turn > education over to for profit corporations, we can have a soda and candy > machine in every classroom! > > > Do you remember when the corporate soda machines were the great hope for > public education? > > Kids can't get vegetables or art teachers but high profit sugar water is > plentiful. One of those funny "charitable schemes" that isn't very funny > afterall. > > Crazy Glenn > > > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Wilma de Soto <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: Glenn <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; UnivCity >> listserv <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 5:14 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [UC] PW article, catchment and real estate >> >> >> The issue here is not Penn necessarily. It¹s any corporate entity who >> exploits educational inequities in urban public schools in order to make >> money. >> >> Throwing up one¹s hands and saying that Penn, (or any other business), >> cannot solve the problems of a flawed public education system, so they might >> as well make it good for the haves² within their employ is not exactly kid >> to children either. >> >> The public school system wasn¹t just flawed; it was a concerted effort of >> many entities to make it the flawed, bereft system we have today. Through >> the removal of resources available previously to public school students in >> response to desegregated school decisions by the government, neighborhoods >> who began to integrate, the system was stripped stone by stone of its >> resources. It¹s not who moves in, but who moves out and takes the resources >> with them. >> >> Those who were left behind would not be able to access those resources and >> have the sort of education that would make them competitive with their >> ³public school² counterparts across the City Line. >> >> Now, the converse is taking place with the help of private corporations such >> as Penn, (but not solely Penn). >> >> What I found most interesting about the article in PW is the quote form a >> neighbor who has noted the reduction of African-American families in the >> area in the time they have lived there. I have been saying for years and >> endured vehement denials from others this would be the result of all >> Penn-influenced situation. >> >> Usually one is glad to be slightly vindicated but not in this case. >> >> >> On 5/26/08 9:07 AM, "Glenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> "But I am not sure I understand what you are saying is Penn's fault? That >>> they created an excellent K-8 public school that makes it easier for their >>> staff and faculty to live in the neighborhood if they have kids?... >>> >>> I don't believe that you can ask Penn to try to solve the problems of a >>> public school system that is tremendously flawed by dramatically changing >>> the way they run their one little site." >>> >>> Guy, >>> >>> Thanks for clearing up the topic for me. I was very confused. >>> >>> But why do you say I hate good children? Is it because I prefer honesty to >>> deception? Or is it because I'm not ruthless? >>> >>> After you answer, I'd be happy to continue a discussion. >>> >>> >>> Glenn >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [email protected] >>>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 5:12 PM >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [UC] PW article, catchment and real estate >>>> >>>> >>>> Glen, >>>> >>>> It is certainly a shame that public education leaves so many unprepared >>>> for the real world. >>>> >>>> But I am not sure I understand what you are saying is Penn's fault? That >>>> they created an excellent K-8 public school that makes it easier for >>>> their staff and faculty to live in the neighborhood if they have kids? >>>> >>>> Phila public education is not a "zero sum game" where there's only so >>>> many quality teachers and quality students that if they all congregate at >>>> 43rd and Spruce at Sadie Alexander that there won't be enough left for >>>> the other schools. >>>> >>>> In addition, Penn doesn't have an obligation to change the course of >>>> Phila public education. They do have a need to make the surrounding area >>>> as livable, safe, and attractive that they won't have a need to build a >>>> fortress around the campus. Yes, since they are creating an excellent >>>> public school they could try to solve more of Philly's public education >>>> problem while they are at it, but I don't really fault them for stopping >>>> where they do. There are plenty of neighborhood kids getting an >>>> excellent education at Sadie Alexander presently. Why fault Penn for not >>>> changing the dynamic of public education in all of West Philly and SW >>>> Philly? Isn't that too much to ask? >>>> >>>> I guess I don't see a negative to creating this wonderful educational >>>> opportunity. The fact that it also raises real estate values is not a >>>> nefarious plot by Penn, it's the realities of a market driven society. >>>> The alternative is to have no school. I don't believe that you can ask >>>> Penn to try to solve the problems of a public school system that is >>>> tremendously flawed by dramatically changing the way they run their one >>>> little site. >>>> >>>> Guy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 7:34 am >>>> Subject: [UC] PW article, catchment and real estate >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Philadelphia Weekly has a short interesting article (a snapshot) about >>>> the confluence of education, real estate and gentrification issues here >>>> in our upscale village. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/articles/17058/news >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In this short piece, it corroborates a point that was widely discussed >>>> here. The description captures how the Penn catchment area was drawn >>>> around the potential real estate value of housing stock. The lines >>>> aren't drawn logically around neighborhoods or existing residents, but >>>> instead are obviously based on real estate value projections. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I hope Philadelphia readers consider what happens to public education >>>> under the model! As long as elite schools and catchment rules are carved >>>> out for elite neighborhoods, do we really need to dedicate any resources >>>> to the kids of the "prostitues, gang members, and drug addicts" who have >>>> been pushed to the poor schools and poor areas???? The parents have long >>>> been a business write off for society. Are the kids far behind? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Any thoughts about the article? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Glenn >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Stay informed, get connected and more with AOL on your phone >>> <http://mobile.aol.com/productOverview.jsp?productOverview=aol-mobile-overvi >>> ew&?ncid=aolmbd00030000000139> . >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1464 - Release Date: 5/24/2008 >>> 8:56 AM >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1466 - Release Date: 5/25/2008 >> 6:49 PM >
