I think your Rittenhouse example shows part of the problem. It is far too congested there. And wasn't that the place where the owner actually put seating in the street at first? I remember huge plant pots used as a barricade. Was that the spot?

The problem is the connected people can openly push the limits and abuse public spaces like sidewalks, parks, etc. (That's been the problem with Clark Park for 10 years.) At the same time, the forces of the state are being aggressively used against other businesses asking for more reasonable use, like a few tables on a wide sidewalk like Balt Ave.

Like Ray mentioned, this new centralized business planning is not capitalism at all. And I think the last 30 years has shown Marx was correct when he predicted that capitalism will destroy itself. The fusion of the state and the corporate oligarchy has a name which people have been trained to refuse, fascism. Our rulers like to call it public private partnerships in Washington, Wall St and city hall.

Glenn



On 8/16/2011 2:21 PM, William H. Magill wrote:
On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:18 PM, Glenn wrote:
The comparison to Europe doesn't ring true either.  Outdoor seating is very 
popular but not at car traffic intersections.  I felt bad for the Baltimore Ave 
businesses when it was revealed that they had such trouble putting a few tables 
on  sidewalks in front of their businesses.  European cities allow cafes to put 
out seating in pedestrian areas or plazas, but I've never seen parklet cafes in 
high car traffic areas.

I think sidewalk seating would be popular here, but I think you need to be 
highly connected and have a business catering to good people.
I can't comment on "European" sidewalk cafes since the UK doesn't really have any, and 
that's as far "east" as I've gotten....

But, speaking of "east" if you want to see the impact of "sidewalk cafes" on the "Pedestrian Experience," 
just visit the eastern side of Rittenhouse Square. The last time I was down there, Pedestrians are forced to either walk on t he opposite 
side of the street or IN the street, as the "diners" block the entire sidewalk. So much for "sidewalk seating" being 
for a "Positive Pedestrian Experience" -- positive only if you want to sit and spend money, extremely negative if you simply want 
to walk. And heaven help you if you want to walk side-by-side with a friend!

I would have no problem with the clubs along 18th street putting seating IN Rittenhouse Square -- -but then their 
servers would have severe problems dodging cars while crossing back and forth across 18th street. Starr would have 
to pay them "hazardous duty pay"  :). (And I'm assuming that the "Friends of Rittenhouse Square who 
pay for the Square's maintenance, would be willing to "allow" such a use... even if they charged Starr, 
et.al. a "maintenance" fee for using the space.  (Yeah, I know the Friends tried to commercialize the 
Square a couple of years back.)

But that is the entire problem, isn't it.... Cars Vs. Pedestrians Vs. Tables 
Vs. free movement Vs. being able to sit in a public space and smoke a cigar and 
generate lots of clouds of blue smoke.

William H. Magill
Block Captain
4400 Chestnut Street








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