Ignoring conditions predispositions. On Sep 15, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Joe Clarke wrote:
> Richard, You engage in analysis that leads to paralysis. Joe > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Richard Conrad <[email protected]> wrote: > You are right Karen. I was just saying that a 'depravation' often is the > result of someone feeling or being deprived. > > Actually I feel the need to stop speculating about a crime I know not first > hand of nor probably can I. > > I do know that we as a people are in moral and physical 'deep' poverty and > believe that those who need to care are all, as are all of us those who ought > to share. > > I hate not being able to fix what I see as wrong and maybe I need to > concentrate on fixing what I can (which is not working very well just now > either). > > On Sep 15, 2011, at 12:20 PM, Karen Allen wrote: > >> I think that it is insulting to assume that the person who committed this >> crime was necessarily "poor". Being poor and being a criminal are not the >> same thing. Being poor and being depraved enough to rape a stranger at >> gunpoint is not the same thing. >> >> I have no sympathy for anyone who would victimize or destroy another person. >> I don't care why a KKK'er or Nazi would murder innocent people, and >> likewise, I don't care why street criminals do what they do. People make >> conscious choices, and when they make bad ones they must be held >> accountable. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:26 AM, Richard Conrad <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> I think the financial squeezing by parasitic economics has increased the >> >> plight of all especially those of poor people and those dependent on >> >> seizing as their way of coping with economics, do you disagree? >> On Sep 14, 2011, at 11:52 PM, Richard Conrad wrote: >> >> > Not funny Brian! >> > On Sep 14, 2011, at 11:24 PM, Brian Siano wrote: >> > >> >> I'm so glad Glenn's taken the occasion of a woman's rape to remind us >> >> that the real evil is "upscale." >> >> >> >> On 9/14/11, Glenn <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> We must somehow figure out how to make our schools and our streets safe >> >>> so our young people can flourish. I don't have the answers. >> >>> >> >>> Jo Ann, >> >>> >> >>> There is extreme chronic fear and for good reason. Many people, from >> >>> cradle to grave, are denied basic security in their lives. When you >> >>> have no hope for your health care, education, food, etc; anyone can >> >>> easily become a primal animal capable of torture, lies, and violence. >> >>> Aren't those the values we represent around the world? I know that >> >>> without my study of Buddhism, I would be capable of very intelligent >> >>> violence! >> >>> >> >>> Why would we expect young people, who do not have middle class >> >>> securities, to ignore that all forms of violence and power are the way >> >>> of life? It's not cute that we guarantee this message to hopeless young >> >>> people. But that is what we do with corporate megalomania. >> >>> >> >>> The answers aren't so far away. We choose to turn our backs on our >> >>> neighbors because we beg and worship extreme power. I'm not being >> >>> disrespectful or glib about any violent crimes happening now! But if we >> >>> don't recognize the cleaner safer lies of our upscale paradise, how are >> >>> we going to get past this addiction stage called DENIAL? >> >>> >> >>> Schools are underfunded and sabotaged. Teachers and parents are >> >>> vilified in fake "research" The poor are blamed as evil sub-human >> >>> creatures. >> >>> >> >>> As I said to Joe, I'm surprised there is not more violence. The middle >> >>> class answer has long been to abuse the poor and minority populations >> >>> more, so that the power of the parasite rulers is increased! Let's stop >> >>> throwing in the towel, and start standing for truth and humanity!!!!!! >> >>> >> >>> On 9/14/2011 9:45 PM, Jo Ann Fishburn wrote: >> >>>> Joe, I agree with all that you said. To add to that, over the years I >> >>>> realized that so much of young people's behavior in school and in the >> >>>> neighborhoods is in reaction to fear. Some neighborhoods, and >> >>>> unfortunately often schools, are so dangerous that a top priority of >> >>>> growing up is developing some way to cope with constant fear. Many >> >>>> believe, perhaps correctly, that they must project a tough, strong >> >>>> image to stay safe. Unfortunately, some extend that to victimizing and >> >>>> terrorizing others to maintain that appearance. We must somehow figure >> >>>> out how to make our schools and our streets safe so our young people >> >>>> can flourish. I don't have the answers. >> >>>> >> >>>> Jo Ann Fishburn >> >>>> >> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>>> *From:* Joe Clarke <[email protected]> >> >>>> *To:* Glenn <[email protected]> >> >>>> *Cc:* Summer Still <[email protected]>; [email protected]; >> >>>> [email protected] >> >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:11 PM >> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm >> >>>> Tuesday night >> >>>> >> >>>> Glenn, I hear you. It's like the argument for not putting seat belts >> >>>> in cars: they might make the customer feel that driving is unsafe. >> >>>> Many in the neighborhood are long-time, resident home-owners, and need >> >>>> to do something immediately to protect their homes and families. >> >>>> There is a difference between treating the symptom and curing the >> >>>> disease. The surge in personal crime may be caused by inequality, but >> >>>> the immediate and often life-threatening symptom needs to be dealt >> >>>> with immediately. >> >>>> Most of the young men and women involved in these crimes are >> >>>> extremely dangerous; partly, because they have no sense of what the >> >>>> consequences are for their actions. I don't think it's just >> >>>> economics: I think that there is a glorification of the gun/gangster >> >>>> culture that has been commod-ified by the entertainment industry and >> >>>> patronized by liberal society as being "cool". Having worked with >> >>>> young homeless people, the biggest challenge is the attitude that >> >>>> prevails among them, and is largely nihilistic. At a graduation in >> >>>> the shelter, many of the graduates were asked to select a favorite >> >>>> saying or slogan to live by. Most chose: "It is what it is!". No >> >>>> sense of future, goals. We in the social services thought it was >> >>>> cute. What seems cute to me - with a work history and two degrees - >> >>>> is disastrous for someone who has neither. >> >>>> The crime needs to be dealt with swiftly and forcefully; the larger >> >>>> issue needs to be worked on as well, but it is a complex situation >> >>>> that has many facets - gun control, failing schools, no jobs, >> >>>> addiction, no parenting and the marketing of violent nihilism as a >> >>>> life style - set us all up for a long haul to change these destructive >> >>>> patterns. >> >>>> >> >>>> Joe C. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Glenn <[email protected] >> >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On 9/14/2011 11:24 AM, Joe Clarke wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> It may be time again to organize a town watch for the >> >>>> neighborhood(s), since town watch works the best when it is >> >>>> localized in specific areas. >> >>>> >> >>>> Joe Clarke >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Joe, >> >>>> >> >>>> I recall conversations with former town watch participants, when I >> >>>> was first blowing the whistle about the real purposes of UCD and >> >>>> the gentrification. As I recall, supports were withdrawn from >> >>>> town watch because high income consumers would be made cleaner and >> >>>> safer through the gentrification. If residents became dependent >> >>>> on and obedient to the new saviors, there was supposedly no reason >> >>>> for town watch anymore than the great culture that we created >> >>>> ourselves. >> >>>> >> >>>> Crime is correlated to income inequality and not a simple lack of >> >>>> material possessions. I'm sure that increases in chronic stress, >> >>>> desperation, and powerlessness would also predict increased crime. >> >>>> The gentrification solutions that have been shoved down our >> >>>> throats are not only fake, but actually increase the likelihood of >> >>>> violent senseless crime. Frankly, I'm surprised that there is not >> >>>> more crime, but we've known for a long time that learned >> >>>> helplessness defines the lives of most people in third world >> >>>> America. But violent crime shouldn't be surprising anyone in our >> >>>> violent immoral society. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Joe, the work you are doing with a youth chess club is wonderful, >> >>>> and is one small example of projects that make society a safer >> >>>> place. (I've taught chess before to gifted kids and I would love >> >>>> to help you if I were in Philadelphia consistently). I would make >> >>>> chess part of the junior high curriculum for all kids. >> >>>> >> >>>> When we had a strong UNDIVIDED community, we had a great culture >> >>>> and were much safer. The police state does not make any of us >> >>>> safer, while we lose our souls and freedom. The University of >> >>>> Plutocracy and their corporate cronies should be forced to pay >> >>>> their fare share of taxes or payments for services in lieu of >> >>>> taxes. Then, we could support town watch, community driven >> >>>> culture, and the compassionate/empowering interventions that will >> >>>> help crime be reduced to a minimum. (Boston University pays five >> >>>> million a year to the city of Boston) >> >>>> >> >>>> Glenn >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> I think what weakens people most is fear of wasting their strength. >> >>>> Etty Hillesum >> >>>> <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/e/ettyhilles124704.html> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >> >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> >>>> Version: 9.0.914 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3897 - Release Date: 09/14/11 >> >>>> 14:34:00 >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> ---- >> >> You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the >> >> list named "UnivCity." 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