happy to hear strong opposite opinions. I am users from windows, that is no shame. Jobs learned his ideas of GUI from Xerox. But windows succeeded later. There must have something that could be learned in Windows.
Using a GtkWindow as a Start menu, I could add whatever I or you like on the start menu. I could add Tabs in a start menu, and many others. sometime simple is better, but that might not be true for desktop users. If a tool is too simple, then the difficulty might be burdened on the users. Users might have to do much extra work to make simple tools work together. 2008/10/28 Daniele Levorato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Il giorno mer, 22/10/2008 alle 20.42 +0800, Long Gao ha scritto: > > In fact, the real reason why I implemented this start menu is to use a > widget of GtkWindow to make a start menu more powerful, > > > ... more powerful... I think it's not more powerful. It just mixes > different concepts that Gnome menu is able to differentiate and so be more > clear. > Remember that the gnome philosophy is "less is more" and this is the case! > > Frequently used applications? ... fewer clicks to achieve a certain "point" > in places or applications menu? A way to quickly see which user is logged? > the Gnome Panel is there, with it's menu and it's applets! nothing you can't > do or can't present clearly to the user. Never saw something more versatile > in Windows. > > In you very first post you said that you "always found puzzled of thinking > which menu to click when I want to do something"... but you really can't > tell if you have to go to "Applications" "Places" or "System"? really? In my > opinion it's not true! it's really clear instead, as I could see from my > user testing experience. While it's not clear what a "Start" button is! You > find yourself very comfortable with that sort of thing just because you > "already know it"... perhaps you "come from Windows" I think... > Unluckily, many users are "affected" badly by their first experience with > Windows and expect every system to work like that (I'm talking in general, > not about you... just what I saw in my user experience)... > > I wish that a well structured "menu" could provide more functionality. > > No, in my opinion a well structured menu is the menu that have only the > functionality it is intended to, and not "more". For example It's better to > leverage the huge horizontal space to have single menus, one of them is > "Applications" that dials only with Applications. It's clear. It's simple. > It's usability... > > > > From the point of my view, I always want to find some good ideas from > Windows, which I thought was totally a mistake:). The start menu might be a > difference. > > > It's good to take ideas from other Desktops, as long as they don't break > any copyright ;-) > Copying the "idea" (if we can call it so) of Windows main menu is not a > good idea in my opinion. I think that some people wants it just because > "they're used to it". I had many experiences in this sense: many users want > to keep an old applications UI (even if it's absolutely wrong), just because > it is part of their knowledge, and they feel "changes" as bad things, > somehow like start learning again from the beginnings. > But take a "fresh" (uncompromised) user... it will find Gnome menu very > intuitive, and Windows menu something "really strange". > > In my opinion we should not make Gnome be like Windows, just to make users > more comfortable to switch their Desktop. Leave this to KDE ;-) (joking) > Sometimes there's the need to innovate, to follow paths that the others > don't follow, to reach results that the others don't reach... > This is the path that I think gnome is following... and that Apple > summarize with it's "think different" moto. > > _______________________________________________Usability mailing [EMAIL > PROTECTED]://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/usability > > ------------------------------ > > > Ing. D a n i e l e L e v o r a t o > InfoCamere S.c.p.A > 049/8288681 > *System Engineer* > *Direzione Registro Imprese * > *Team Middleware* >
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