Wasm is a pretty mature target by now. Most of the projects I work with already
have deployments using wasm on either the server side or the client side.
ASP.NET and Blazer is making quite a stir. It’s not the sort of - let’s deploy
it now thing - but when looking at a partnership between several institutions
each with their own projects - wasm provides a relatively solid basis fir
glueing the pieces together - regardless (more or less) of the language if
choice of the collaborator.
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On 17 Feb 2021, 15:44 +0000, Andre Garzia via use-livecode
<use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> Let me begin by saying that WASM is not a silver bullet. I know this doesn’t
> happen on our community, and that David is not mentioning WASM as a magical
> solution for HTML5 deployment.
>
> A bit of context is needed to understand why WASM is important and cool. In
> the past, many C/C++ to Web solutions were based on emscripten which is a
> toolset based on LLVM that can output C/C++ code in something called “ASM.js”
> which is a very compact JavaScript source code that kinda does what the C/C++
> was doing. This is how people ported the “Unreal Engine” to the web for
> example. Be aware that ASM.js doesn’t deal with graphics and stuff, that
> still web technologies. It is just very good at number crunching and makes it
> possible to reuse C/C++ code.
>
> The main drawbacks from ASM.js (which can be felt on the HTML5 deployment) is
> that the file sizes are huge. Just imagine a compiler that instead of
> generating native binary code is generating actual equivalent JavaScript
> code. This presents two problems for the user, first is the lengthy file
> transfer needed to download all that content to the users browser, second is
> the time it takes for the JS engine to actually parse those large files.
>
> These problems are mitigated by WASM. WebAssembly grew out of the working
> groups that were developing ASM.js. It is a bytecode format, so it is smaller
> than the equivalent JS file. It is also a standardized VM, which means it
> executes the same in all browsers that support it. Another cute trick it can
> do is that is can start loading the bytecode in the VM while it is
> transferring (aka loading while streaming) which means that by the time the
> transfer completes, a huge portion of that code is already loaded.
>
> Not only this speeds up the user experience, but having a well-defined VM
> makes it easier for language developers to target it instead of the ASM.js
> hacks.
>
> The same toolset that produces ASM.js can produce WASM. It should be natural
> evolution for the HTML5 deployment to switch from ASM.js based to WASM based.
> This doesn’t make it magical though, this switch alone will not make LC work
> on the browser beyond what they’re currently doing. It needs more work, but
> it should yield smaller files which makes it a better experience.
>
> > On 17 Feb 2021, at 15:30, Graham Samuel via use-livecode
> > <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well done Klaus, I was still Googling it! I am in fact looking at articles
> > (e.g. https://blog.bitsrc.io/whats-wrong-with-web-assembly-3b9abb671ec2
> > <https://blog.bitsrc.io/whats-wrong-with-web-assembly-3b9abb671ec2>) that
> > suggest that despite some very significant users (Google Earth is one),
> > wasm hasn’t exactly conquered the universe in the three years since it was
> > launched.
> >
> > Would LC users benefit and/or would it be a massive diversion of scarce
> > development effort? Anyone have any idea?
> >
> > Graham
> >
> > > On 17 Feb 2021, at 15:19, Klaus major-k via use-livecode
> > > <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > To all who are also not familiar witht the gazillion abbreviations,
> > > David is talking about -> WebaSseMbly :-)
> > >
> > > > Am 17.02.2021 um 16:13 schrieb David Bovill via use-livecode
> > > > <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> > > >
> > > > Anyone know the wasm plans?
> > > >
> > > > I’m Woking on a project in collaboration with a number of other
> > > > platforms and partners that are using wasm. Would like to play in the
> > > > same place with LiveCode.
> > > >
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