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> Am 06.09.2021 um 13:20 schrieb Andre Garzia via use-livecode > <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>: > > Don’t know how many people here remember that they tried that approach with > Dreamcard. I really like it, but in the end it didn’t work for the company. I > see many members here in the list saying “what should be done”, “what would > have worked”, and I wanted to remember every one that while speculation is > fun and a healthy practice, it is not necessarily a representation of truth. > We don’t know what could have worked, very few people here know the day to > day managing of LiveCode Ltd to judge what are their best options. What > people here can do is lobby from the user’s point of view, and yet I see a > ton of people “playing CEO with these emails”, that is not productive IMHO. > > Let’s take a step back for a second and realise as a community we lack many > things that other programming language communities have. We do have a very > healthy mailing list, forum, and occasional conference. We’re all friends, > and many of us have known each other for decades. Those are things that many, > if not most, programming language communities do not have. And yet we have > not fostered many of the ancillary things that most communities do. > > * We have very few open source projects in the community, and the ones we > have have very few contributors. > * We have not build anything like a package manager to help us share code > around. The IDE built-in extension store, and code sharing features are > extremely simple. > * We don’t have an ecosystem of tools and libraries around. We have some > tools and some libraries. > * We don’t have many people writing blogs, making videos, writing books, and > fostering the community. > * There are very few services and companies besides LiveCode Ltd offering > products to the community. > > > All items mentioned above are important regardless if LiveCode Community > Edition is around or not. Without those things, it is very hard for any FOSS > initiative to blossom. Without those things, it is very hard to make a > programming language community feel vibrant and alive. We had eight years of > LC Community Edition, and as a community we haven’t really cared to nurture > it. Very few people contributed patches. We all loved having it, we were just > not putting enough care into it. And that is how FOSS dies. > > What is most important is that the Community Edition was not the on-ramp path > to attract new users and then lead them towards a commercial license. What > happened was the opposite, Community users stayed with the Community Edition > and many paying users migrated to the FOSS offer. If the business model of LC > was different, if they had structured it all differently, maybe it could have > worked, but that is just speculation, we don’t know it might have failed in > such manner that LC Ltd would be dead. > > What I do know, and I know quite a lot about programming language > communities, is that without more than just a mailing list and forum, you > can’t have a vibrant community. Without a community that feels engaging and > alive, you don’t get new users. > > I’m happy paying for my license because I can see the value LC provides me, > and how my money directly affects their ability to output quality stuff. I > love FOSS, but I’d rather have a healthy LC Ltd around with the resources to > keep building amazing goodies. We as a community can build all the cool stuff > around the proprietary language, there is a ton of things we could have that > would make this a more lively place. > > The question is, who here wants to build stuff? > > A > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
