this is feeling like it could/should become a test suite: questions posed, and the quality of the solution
On Sat, Jan 14, 2023 at 4:16 PM Kaveh via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I just tried Google to the answer to a problem. Didn't get it first time, > so tried ChatGPT. I asked: > > *How do I add a button to a group in LiveCode using a script?* > > I got: > > *create button "myButton" in group "myGroup"* > > > *This command creates a new button object with the name "myButton" and > places it inside the group "myGroup".* > Just what I needed. > > You can also set properties of the button > > On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 at 20:09, Mark Smith via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > Thanks for posting this Geoff. It’s the first time I've seen a ongoing > > dialog between a programmer and Chat GPT and the first thing I am struck > by > > (but not the only thing) is it’s ability to deal with human ambiguity. > For > > example, you ask it to modify the code to be an “on mouseUp handler in a > > button". But nowhere in its response is there any sign of a button. It > just > > totally ignored that part of your request. The code it provides works in > a > > card, a stack, a graphic image, an svg widget, in fact, in anything that > > accepts mouseUp input. And yet, it didn’t worry itself about that. Very > > interesting. It’s kind of like, “this works in a button, so good enough”. > > That is not the kind of “nuance” I am used to expecting from an AI. So, > > progress has clearly been made in interpreting what humans say (or ask) > in > > a very loose way. > > > > The 2nd, and perhaps more astounding example, is when you ask it to > > "rewrite the code to be a function that takes an argument "n", repeats > with > > 1 to n, and returns the results”. > > > > The really clever bit here is not that it rewrites the previous code into > > a function, but that it removes the bit about "put fizzbin into field > > “display””. How does it know that putting the result in a field is NOT > the > > typical responsibility of a function? How does it know that that step > needs > > to occur AFTER the function call? That is so high-level that I am sure > lots > > of beginning programmers have made that mistake. It even comments on it > in > > the documentation. So there is some very deep semantic understanding of > > programming code that is going on here. Because, you did not ask it to > do > > that, but the fact that it did it anyway indicates it clearly understands > > what the purpose of a function is. > > > > Quite weird for me to comprehend how it knows that. Unless of course, you > > were somehow more specific than your examples illustrate. > > > > Mark > > > > > On 14 Jan 2023, at 3:22 am, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode < > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > So just now I put this in to chatgpt: > > > > > > "fizz bin" is a program that counts from 1 to 100, replacing every > number > > > divisible by 5 with "fizz" and every number divisible by 7 with "bin"; > > and > > > numbers divisible by both 5 and 7 with "fizz bin". Write code in the > > > programming language livecode to execute "fizz bin" > > > > > > This is what ChatGPT responded with: > > > > > > repeat with x = 1 to 100 > > > if x mod 5 = 0 and x mod 7 = 0 then > > > put "fizz bin" > > > else if x mod 5 = 0 then > > > put "fizz" > > > else if x mod 7 = 0 then > > > put "bin" > > > else > > > put x > > > end if > > > end repeat > > > > > > That works as-is, but obviously the results fly by in the message box. > > So I > > > put a field and a button on a card, and edited to this, and it works > > > perfectly: > > > > > > on mouseUp > > > repeat with x = 1 to 100 > > > if x mod 5 = 0 and x mod 7 = 0 then > > > put "fizz bin" & cr after fld 1 > > > else if x mod 5 = 0 then > > > put "fizz" & cr after fld 1 > > > else if x mod 7 = 0 then > > > put "bin" & cr after fld 1 > > > else > > > put x & cr after fld 1 > > > end if > > > end repeat > > > end mouseUp > > > > > > Then as I was typing this email I realized I was potentially selling > > > chatgpt short, so I put this in: > > > > > > Modify that code so it works as an "on mouseUp" handler in a button, > and > > > concatenates the results on individual lines, and puts the final result > > > into the field "display" > > > > > > And it output this: > > > > > > > > > on mouseUp > > > put "" into fizzbin > > > repeat with x = 1 to 100 > > > if x mod 5 = 0 and x mod 7 = 0 then > > > put "fizz bin" & return after fizzbin > > > else if x mod 5 = 0 then > > > put "fizz" & return after fizzbin > > > else if x mod 7 = 0 then > > > put "bin" & return after fizzbin > > > else > > > put x & return after fizzbin > > > end if > > > end repeat > > > put fizzbin into field "display" > > > end mouseUp > > > > > > And it followed that with instructions: > > > > > > This code uses the "on mouseUp" handler to execute the script when the > > > button is clicked. The results are concatenated and separated by a new > > line > > > using the "& return" operator after each output. The final result is > > placed > > > into a field with the name "display" using the "put" command. > > > > > > I'll save you the trouble: that code executes perfectly right out of > the > > > box, with no errors, and of course even though I didn't ask it to, it > > uses > > > a variable to store the intermediate values, saving the field update > for > > > the end. > > > > > > If I were writing it, I'd probably do something like > > > > > > on mouseUp > > > put "" into fizzbin > > > repeat with x = 1 to 100 > > > if x mod 5 = 0 then put "fizz " after fizzbin > > > if x mod 7 = 0 then put "bin " after fizzbin > > > if char -1 of fizzbin is space > > > then put return into char -1 of fizzbin > > > else put x & return after fizzbin > > > end repeat > > > put fizzbin into field "display" > > > end mouseUp > > > > > > That might be a bit faster, but probably not as clear. > > > > > > Finally, I gave it the input: > > > > > > Now rewrite the code to be a function named "fizzbin" that takes an > > > argument "n", repeats with 1 to n, and returns the results. > > > > > > function fizzbin n > > > put "" into fizzbin > > > repeat with x = 1 to n > > > if x mod 5 = 0 and x mod 7 = 0 then > > > put "fizz bin" & return after fizzbin > > > else if x mod 5 = 0 then > > > put "fizz" & return after fizzbin > > > else if x mod 7 = 0 then > > > put "bin" & return after fizzbin > > > else > > > put x & return after fizzbin > > > end if > > > end repeat > > > return fizzbin > > > end fizzbin > > > > > > This works perfectly, and chat gpt also documents its answer: > > > > > > This code defines a function named "fizzbin" which takes an argument > "n" > > > that determines the range of the repeat loop. The function builds the > > > result string in a variable "fizzbin" and return the final result. 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