Hi I have had to think about this recently as I am looking at setting up a new backend for a service that I need to follow the Data protection rules in Canada.
BTW - ’Safe third country’ would be more grammatically correct in English than ’save third country’. However I checked to see if that is the terminology they use but I after a brief search I could not find that phrase. I the term I found is not 'safe’ but ‘adequate’. E.g. Adequacy decisions The European Commission has the power to determine, on the basis of article 45 of Regulation (EU) 2016/679 <http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv%3AOJ.L_.2016.119.01.0001.01.ENG&toc=OJ%3AL%3A2016%3A119%3ATOC>whether a country outside the EU offers an adequate level of data protection. The European Commission has so far recognised Andorra, Argentina, Canada (commercial organisations), Faroe Islands, Guernsey, Israel, Isle of Man, Japan, Jersey, New Zealand, Republic of Korea, Switzerland , the United Kingdom under the GDPR and the LED, and Uruguay as providing adequate protection. https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/international-dimension-data-protection/adequacy-decisions_en I think that choice of term is because as we all know data is never ’safe’ which implies an absolute. To say it is ‘adequate’ implies that there is a standard to meet but does not guarantee 100% safety. For the Canadian Government certain data must be hosted in Canada, ie health data. Your health data on an AWS S3 server in Virginia could be subpoenaed by US Law enforcement. There is a data centre in Montreal but I don’t know if hosting it there would be enough protection. Since the parent company is in the US I wonder if there would still be exposure to US law. Also I don’t know whether data in Montreal is backed up to other locations in the US or other centres in the world. Last I looked the Livecode hosting service has a location in Toronto. I need to look into whether the fact that Canada has an agreement with the EU regarding data protection means that even if my data was hosted or backed up Europe that I could still use the LiveCode Hosting service location in Toronto. Martin > On Feb 28, 2023, at 9:22 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode > <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > >> Am 28.02.2023 um 14:24 schrieb jbv via use-livecode >> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>: >> >> Was moving to HostM really necessary ? >> A couple of years ago, Livecode Hosting provided a certificat saying that >> their >> service was fully compliant with european GDPR... >> And AFAIR, GDPR doesn't require that data must be hosted within Europe... >> Unless I missed something... >> > You can host personal data outside of the EU if the country where you host > the data is a "save third country". I am not sure if this is the correct > English expression. > But unfortunately the US are not such a safe third country. > Andorra, Argentina, Canada (commercial organizations only), Faroe Islands, > Guernsey, Israel, Isle of Man, Jersey, New Zealand, Switzerland, Uruguay, > Japan, United Kingdom and South Korea btw are all specified as save third > countries. So hosting personal data in those countries would be okay. > > > > > > > >> jbv >> >> Le 2023-02-28 08:00, matthias rebbe via use-livecode a écrit : >>> I have both 1 Livecode Hosting account and 3 HostM accounts >>> I am still very satisfied with Livecode Hosting, >>> When Runrev started the On-Rev platform the servers were hosted in >>> France, but that changed some time and now the servers are hosted in >>> the US. >>> But comply with GDPR of the EU i had to find another provider that >>> hosts his servers in the EU. >>> So i moved the business websites with a heavy heart to HostM. >>> You can even install your commercial LivecodeServer or let HostM do >>> this for you. >>> The response time for support requests are very fast. >>> So in case you have to deal with the european GDPR you have to use a >>> provider that hosts in the EU. >>>> Am 28.02.2023 um 12:44 schrieb jbv via use-livecode >>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>: >>>> Hello, >>>> I just had a look at their offer, and it really looks interesting, >>>> especially the possibility to choose the location of your server >>>> (Europe, usa...). >>>> But what about their technical support ? On-rev tech support quality >>>> is hard to beat... >>>> Thanks. >>>> jbv >>>> Le 2023-02-28 05:33, Georges Malamoud via use-livecode a écrit : >>>>> Hello >>>>> I have been using this service for a certain time, and it works well >>>>> for us, Livecode developers (and server admin) >>>>> https://www.hostm.com <https://www.hostm.com/> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
