On 27/11/2023 00:02, ambassador--- via use-livecode wrote:
An excuse to benchmark?  Sure, I'll bite. :)

:=).  Beat me to it.
But boy oh boy was I surprised by the difference.
Bottom line, in millisecs for just 5 iterations on an M1 Mac:

Groups: 141
Cards: 13619

Wow!


I suspect most layouts won't encounter this much of a difference. After all, I 
did choose the elements I could put together quickly with rendering impairment 
in mind.

But there is another consideration. When (if) you resize the stack, the 'group' version will need to resize each of the groups (even when they are hidden), and if the number of different groups is non-trivial, that might make resizing slow.

I took Richard's test stack and resized each of the the text fields  to approx 1/3 of the stack width - and that was already painfully slow with two groups. So if you aim to have a large number of groups, you may be forced to overcome this yourself.

You can do something like

on resizecontrol
   if the visible of me then
      .....
   end if
end resizecontrol

and be sure to add a

   send "resizecontrol" grp tGroup

immediately after you make group 'tGroup' visible again.

But I suspect the difference would still show itself in lighter layouts.

And now I'm curious: what are you working on where layout transition speed is 
critical?

Hmmm. Doesn't your test case already take 2-1/2 seconds to change card ? (13 seconds for 5 iterations).

That's plenty long enough to annoy me. I get frustrated (for example) with the forums, because of the 1-3 seconds it takes to transition from one interesting topic to the next.

I have no idea what current UI thinking is - and I admit that the increasing use of the web and online access has probably increased people's acceptance of small delays - but back in the day I was used to aiming for sub-second response to complete *most* user actions.

Alex.
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