Tom, Please forgive me (especially Tim) for apparently sounding argumentative. Not my intent at all. I was merely trying to say that given the vastness of our universe and the number of stars contained in it, many argue that it is logical to assume a multitude of intelligent species populating our entire galaxy. And given the vast time scale involved, it is also logical to assume these alien civilizations will not have evolved simultaneously (criterion #1)
The second criterion is that the radio active stages of technology of these civilizations will be short relative to these same vast time scales. I'm sure that I am not the first to define this criterion, but I have not seen it discussed before. The validity of this is discussed very briefly in the simulation notes. Further to this point, I would argue that ALL technologies have limited durations, and the simulation allows you to adjust it over a very long range (albeit short relative to the vast time scales of our galaxy) to your heart's content. I would be happy to discuss this at length, but it might be best to do so off-list?? My simulation starts with these assumptions and explores the outcome. These criteria are simply derived from the statistics of the numbers involved. There are many more qualified than I to explain the statistics involved, and a few references are included in the notes of the simulation. For those interested I would would start with the SETI project itself at. http://www.seti.org/ And, the Drake equation says it all . . . statically: http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/Topics/seti/drake_equation.html Thanks and cheers, Roger Guay On Mar 25, 2012, at 7:56 AM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 20:54:05 -0400 > From: Thomas McGrath III <mcgra...@mac.com> > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> > Subject: Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 102, Issue 49 > Message-ID: <02634a04-296a-4fbe-a626-3e7587ff9...@mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > I didn't take either comment as overly argumentative but more like a > challenge (which we tend to do on this list from time to time). For me, > coming up with two criteria is intriguing and caught my interest. I would > love to see more on the validity of those two criteria, but what really > interested me was how Roger translated those to an interesting LC project. > Very cool. I would love to hear more about that. > > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > 3mcgr...@comcast.net > > On Mar 24, 2012, at 8:31 PM, Roger Guay wrote: > >> Tim, >> >> I don't pretend to know anything! As for my thesis, I am merely making >> assumptions based on statistics and the vast size of our galaxy and the >> number of stars it contains. No one has decided anything about the nature of >> our species except the religious. BTW, did you look at the simulation? >> >> I think it might be best to take any further discussions of this nature >> off-list. >> >> Cheers, >> Roger >> >> >> On Mar 24, 2012, at 6:03 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: >> >>> Message: 9 >>> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 12:44:21 -0700 >>> From: Tim Jones <tolis...@me.com> >>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> >>> Subject: Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts >>> Message-ID: <dabd6b02-27fe-40e6-8df5-3144fce87...@me.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII >>> >>> Ready to defend your thesis? Let me toss out two great Sci-Fi antithesis >>> to your points below - >>> >>> How have we determined how long the "relatively short duration" of the >>> radio stage of any societies is? >>> >>> How have we decided, even taking asynchronous development into account, >>> that humans aren't the most mature and advanced species in the nearby >>> galaxy? >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> >>> On Mar 24, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Roger Guay wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> The SETI project has been in existence for about 50 years, and Enrico >>>> Fermi's question asked in the 1940's, "Where is everybody?" is still >>>> germane today. >>>> >>>> I think I have finally succeded in building a simulation of two criteria >>>> relevant to this SETI "problem": 1) The asynchronous evolution of >>>> intelligence throughout the galaxy couple with 2) the relatively short >>>> duration of the radio stage of alien technologies. >>>> >>>> You can download this stack at: >>>> >>>> >>>> https://idisk.mac.com/irog//Public/SETIproblem.livecode >>>> >>>> I welcome any feedback. >>>> >>>> Thanks and cheers, >>>> Roger Guay >>>> ___________ > _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode