Bob,

God to hear ! Have to add that i still own a good collection of pre-intel Apple 
boxes still able to run like charms (PWB 140/160, 5300, G3 15 inches, G4 13 
inches, MacMini G4,...) and that my concerns began with intel MBP 15 inches 
dualcore. All went a kind of AppleCare + protected, so i got them all three 
replaced for free by new ones within 3 days each. To avoid problems, my macs 
are starting on external HD, timemachined and copycloned on a 24/7 basis. So 
when any problem occur, i just have to connect the new one and to go head ;-)

In this way, my last 2 weeks old MBP 13 i5 2.5 Ghz is able to run the previous 
OSX 10.6.8/LC 5.0.2 config i use to code LC server tasks in FTP-SSL mode and 
all is fine.

Least but not last, i rely yet for my mobile and server dev tasks on 2 MBP 13 
i5 2.4 Ghz and 2.5 Ghz + samsung displays and both laptops seems lots more 
reliable than my previous ones. Can't say why but they seems well constructed, 
not noisy at all, etc... Hope i will own them both for the longs years you 
report macs are still normally builds to stay reliables :D

Pierre


Le 5 oct. 2012 à 01:08, Bob Sneidar a écrit :

> Pierre, Pierre, I have been running World Of Warcraft at high graphics 
> settings on both my iMac at home, and my laptop, for years. I've run my 
> laptop at my Dad's house on the hottest of days there. One is almost 4 years 
> old the other almost 6. Neither have burned up. Not sure what you are doing 
> with them, but if you are only getting 1.5 years out of every mac you have 
> ever owned, I would have to say check the power at your place and put some 
> kind of UPS in line because DAMN. 
> 
> Also, just because a hard drive fails does not mean the computer is wasted. 
> Also, I administer n 400 node network. About 60% of our computers are Macs. I 
> have next to my desk all the laptop bodies of the laptops that have failed 
> completely. There are 5 of them. 2 are G4's. Two more were motherboard 
> failures. The other was a monitor burnout. Macs have historically been 
> INCREDIBLY reliable for us. I'm not just a Mac hack. I work in the field of 
> IT every day and have for 20+ years. 
> 
> Also, if you can show you only got that much life out of BRAND NEW macs and 
> there was no abuse involved, you could go back to Apple and they would comp 
> you a new one I am sure. Sorry, but I call BS here.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Oct 4, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
> 
>> Yep... and, in about Linux/Asus versus OSX/Apple, i would really prefer to 
>> rely on the first kind of config for most of my LC coding and other numeric 
>> tasks, at least for 2 main reasons :
>> 
>> - in my experience, over the last decade, in average, 18 months is a 
>> standard Mac live time. Short, is't for 2000 bucks each box ? On other hand, 
>> my Asus/CentOS configs never give up until i replace them by more recent 
>> boxes...
>> - No way to run games production AI solutions with top at 100% on a 24/7 
>> basis on Apple platforms. They would just burn their unibody cases and die 
>> in less than 24 hours...
>> 
>> But too bad, iOS dev need macs (at least to make the workflow as simple as 
>> possible...). To bad again, LC stay still, in about mobile/desktop dev, less 
>> usable on the Linux platform than it's on the OSX and Windows ones...
>> 
>> Would be really helpful to, perhaps !, see the situation change a the near ;)
> 
> 
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