cheese On 08.02.2014, at 17:09, Andrew Kluthe <and...@ctech.me> wrote:
> Richmond, > > My response was directed towards Bob. > > > > On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Richmond <richmondmathew...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> On 08/02/14 17:51, Andrew Kluthe wrote: >> >>> "Those who choose to obey the laws" are either those who are the >>> beneficiaries of such instruments, or to whom the instrument has rendered >>> all other choices and possibilities unworthy of consideration. The point >>> is >>> that even in western democracies, people don't actually have a choice in >>> the matter. You obey or you are punished. That is the presupposition of >>> the >>> whole concept: removal (whether it is perceived as voluntary or otherwise) >>> of choice to those who know properly how to do the choosin'. >>> >>> Government in North Korea is maintained by the same force and threats as >>> it >>> is in most any western democracy. The difference being that in western >>> democracies the populace is encouraged to take an actionable role in their >>> own subjugation and the subjugation of others in an attempt to feel like >>> we >>> belong and have agency in such matters. We are allowed to choose wallpaper >>> patterns for the homes we are allowed to live in by being obedient enough >>> to be granted some kind of economic privilege. In exchange for our >>> co-operation, we earn a chance at a more personally satisfying (to some) >>> servitude. Should any groups of people in a western democracy decide >>> against being servile, we know for sure that force will arrive there to >>> restore servility. >>> >>> I'd prefer not to allow my liberty to be (or at least work to prevent from >>> being) bound by involuntary contracts like constitutions, writs and the >>> like. >>> >>> And after reading over the thread again I'd like to point out: >>> >>> "Those who choose to obey the laws (that they themselves are protected by >>> I >>> might add) do not need to be compelled." >>> >>> This phrase strikes me now as something very similar to what a gangster >>> might say when attempting to expand a protection racket. >>> >>> I'm not suggesting that you >>> >> >> To whom does "you" refer to? >> >> Unless that is cleared up somebody is going to feel their nose has been >> put out of joint :) >> >> Richmond. >> >> >> are a gangster or run a protection racket, of >>> course, but that the logic being implied by your concept of governance >>> lines up perfectly with what I am describing. I think that we are in >>> agreement about function but just have different biases and perspectives >>> into those functions. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:48 AM, Richmond <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> On 08/02/14 07:06, Bob Sneidar wrote: >>>> >>>> Only upon the lawless. :-) Those who choose to obey the laws (that they >>>>> themselves are protected by I might add) do not need to be compelled. >>>>> >>>>> Bob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There is a small problem there. >>>> >>>> I am sure that most of us here on the Use-List would applaud a North >>>> Korean who broke certain of that >>>> country's draconian laws, >>>> >>>> and, furthermore, >>>> >>>> do not feel groovy about the sort of compulsion that goes on there. >>>> >>>> Now that is one end of a continuum, and the question is, and always has >>>> been, >>>> where one should decide breaking a law is legitimate protest and where it >>>> is >>>> a crime. >>>> >>>> Richmond. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > > -- > Regards, > > Andrew Kluthe > and...@ctech.me > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode