Hi Xaxier,
I do agree.
When I came to Windows (without leaving the Mac: I work with since
more than twenty years), I did not like the menus 'in' the windows.
Question of habit ;-)
But I have to say that, with large screens we have now, it's seems
more appropriate...
Actually, I build sophisticated applications without menus but
toolbars (at the top of the window) AND contextual menus that appear
more intuitive for more advanced users: hierarchy in the way to
access provided functions sounds to me as an ergonomic rule.
Letting this apart, Richard explanation is, as usual, complete and
clear :-)
One way to avoid problems is to begin a project with Win32 and just
setting the menu bar group using the menu builder then switch to Mac...
Le 11 déc. 07 à 16:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
Hi Richard,
While the idea of a floating menubar is really nice (and so NeXT
like!),
it does pose a few problems on windows:
- win32 task bar object - rev here is a nightmare - click on one
and the
menubar still stays behind/hidden for example...
- If you hide the application, dont forget to hide the menu - but
maybe
that's not wanted but maybe yes other times
- submarining the menu as you mentioned - but sometimes it is the
other
way around. And there's a bug in RR where the palettes are
submarined by
the normal stacks (fixed in 2.9?)
- it's not standard and most windows users hate separate menus (as
far as
i've heard and seen them moan)
- a separate menu steals more desktop real-estate than an included
menu
There's reasons why it could be cool but when you are used to menus
being
always on top of the window, you dont have to look for them.
The same goes for a Mac user who sees their window while the menu of
another application (which is active with no [overlapping] windows) is
visible...
just my two revcents...
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Xavier Bury
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/12/2007 16:36:57:
Dave wrote:
This is what I don't understand. How to I set the "menu group" on
Windows? I can (and have set it and it works ok on Mac). I have a
Menubar group in a stack called "MenuBar" how can I use this menubar
group as the menu bar for the current stack under Windows?
From the Rev Dictionary entry for "menubar":
On Mac OS systems, when a stack's menubar property is set,
the stack is scrolled and resized on Mac OS systems so that
the group is not visible in the stack window. (On Unix and
Windows systems, this is not necessary, since the menu bar
is normally displayed in the window.)
On Windows (and pretty every other OS but Mac), the convention is the
have menus at the top of the window. Only Mac detaches them to
have a
separate menu bar at the top of the monitor. To facilitate this, the
menuBar property of a stack defines a group in a stack which will be
automatically scrolled out of view when run on OS X, but will
appear in
place on all other systems.
While contrary to convention, it's possible to have a menu bar on
Windows which is separate from the stack. In fact, Rev does this,
and
one of the products we develop here does also (though we're in the
process of redesigning it to adhere to convention in the next
version).
To have a separate menu bar on Windows just build the menu group in a
separate stack and open it as palette so that it doesn't get
covered by
the other windows in your application.
If your other windows are resizable you can also adjust the
windowBoundingRect property to account for your menubar stack, so
zooming won't submarine the top of the document below the menu stack.
--
Richard Gaskin
Managing Editor, revJournal
Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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