On 02/05/2010 20:07, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:
Adobe didn't conceive postscript, photshop, illustrator, flash, etc.  Mathematica isn't derivative.  Wolfram 
(for all I rail on his philosophy) is one of the last remaining computer scientists.  I think there is 
something about the act of writing software the way we've been doing it that either strips the science out of 
us or keeps the scientists away.  Wolfram is an interesting guy.  His mathematica is like most of this first 
wave software simply a digital "analog" of a tool we did manually before.  Yet at the same time, he 
actively promotes the idea of properties and tools unique to computation (his "new" kind of 
science).  Anyway, this discussion was about steve jobs when I think it should be about adobe's all to 
familiar entrenchment approach to "innovation".  This, once the disappointment and anger wears off 
is what has driven steve jobs into such unpopular and dangerous a stance.  Like all tertiary species, runrev 
can only eat the debris that falls to the ocean floor.  When xtalk was abandoned by apple, that was the day 
the music really died.

Fair point, Randall: "adobe's all to familiar entrenchment approach to "innovation" "; but that is a problem that tends to happen with ALL successful organisations (including Apple); they become complacent and
slack off.

Unfortunately, like it or not, the vast majority of folk use their computers as nothing more than typewriters and video-phones, home entertainment centres and mind-numbing devices; and, despite your ideals, and mine (however much they may differ; and I suspect not as much as you might
think); it is again the old problem about who pays for the bread and cheese.
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About 3 hours ago my wife and I went for a walk in a park here in Plovdiv; from the hill in the centre of the park I could see 3 shopping malls under construction: I groaned. My wife then pointed out that if that was what the majority of people wanted then that is what they should get. I then pointed that a society where the 90% of the people are permanently glued to 'prole-feed' on the telly or the computer, and for their exercise went to cruise in the malls and mindlessly spend money have the vote was not really the sort of society I wanted to be a part of she agreed, but pointed out that there was precious
little we could do about it.
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"When xtalk was abandoned by apple, that was the day the music really died. "

All cultures hark back to a semi-mythical golden age, that on closer examination turns out to
have been nothing of the sort.

You should have been at the Edinburgh conference (apart from the fact that you and I might have been arrested for savaging each other); there was quite a considerable amount of 'music' and the air really was fizzing!
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"Like all tertiary species, runrev can only eat the debris that falls to the ocean floor. "

I think that that is being a bit unkind. After all Runrev does work on Linux, where (despite your dislike for Open Source) there is more room for individual initiative and movement than in the
relatively tightly controlled worlds of Mac and Windows.
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