Let me weigh in one more time, for those who think that setting up a machine 
with all the security measures you can, but without using some kind of 
anti-virus/anti-spyware solution is "safe enough". 

Recently, our radio station web site was hacked via a simple php exploit. The 
people who we contracted to build the web site for us did absolutely NO 
hardening of the site, and thus we have been vulnerable all this time. 

The hackers (somewhere in Europe it turns out) redirected to their site which 
popped up one of those fake "Your computer has been compromised! Click here to 
clean your system" drive by exploits. The people running PC's were already 
infected by going to the site, before even clicking on the "Clean Now" button. 

No mac users were infected, primarily because the site was not written to 
compromise Mac's but also because it's really really hard to drive by 
compromise a Mac if the OS is up to date, along with Java, your browser, flash 
etc. The window of opportunity is just too small for it to be worthwhile. 

Windows users with up to date OS and software, along with an installed AV 
product, were also not infected. Finally, it took less than 24 hours for our 
domain to get blacklisted, so at that point only people without AV were getting 
infected. No one else could actually get there. 

My point is this. Modern AV software uses multiple methods to protect an OS. 
One is "Suspicious Activity" reporting. Another is signature based. Another is 
blacklist subscriptions. Another is "Heuristics" (a fancy way of saying, "You 
look like malware we know about so we are going to block you just to be safe"). 

An up-to-date OS and 3rd party software strategy, safe browsing habits (no 
porn, no warez etc) COMBINED with a good AV product, is enough to protect from 
anything except the most insidious zero day exploit. And the window of 
opportunity is so small in those cases, that your odds of getting compromised 
is almost nil. 

Honestly, if I know that my neighbors are home break in experts, even if I have 
an electric fence, and the latest in home alarm systems, I am not going to turn 
down a guard dog or two, just because I feel "safe enough". 


Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

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