On Nov 5, 2003, at 9:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


More productive, and faster?

Oh come on. Step acting incredulous that someone's manner of productivity can be different.


I'm way, way, way! more productive on OS X than on my Windows 2000 machine. There are many aspects to productivity. For your line of work, you are faster in Windows, and that's fine for you. For a 3 year old OS, Mac OS X *kicks butt*. Especially 10.3. For a long time I used a G4/350 and G/466 with Mac OS X instead of a Pentium 600 with Windows 2000 that was right there on my desktop. The Windows machine was faster for certain tasks, but overall that wasn't the biggest factor in my productivity.

A lot of advances are coming from Apple. Rendezvous, Expose, XCode, Darwin, and promoting open-source utilities like Apache, Samba, SSH, and X Windows. Microsoft is touting all this Aero-rendering-compositing-display system they are releasing in Longhorn in 2005. Well guess what? OS X has that _today_.

I work in a mixed environment of PC's and
Mac's, and that is not the situation here at all. On OS X, put about
10,000 files of any kind into a folder (write a repeat loop to create them
as a test), then open the folder in the finder. Put a stop-watch on that
pretty colorful spinning ball. Do the same on a Windows PC... the folder
will open with all files listed in about 2 seconds.

Yes, the Mac OS Finder truly was slow from 10.2 - 10.2.8. In 10.3 it's totally rewritten and is much faster. Nonetheless the old finder never did cause me major grief.


But I don't often have 10,000 files in a folder. If I ever did, I would probably drop to the Unix shell, which Windows does not have thank-you-very-much, and use a command like mv, cp, ditto, etc.

Another - Rev specific speed test. Write a repeat loop to create about 200
Rev objects on a card. Distribute them all over the card. Make it a mix of
buttons and fields, and a few imported small gif files. Now, using the
selection tool, select all of the elements by dragging around them. How
long does it take for the selections to catch-up with what you selected.
Do the same on a PC. OK... Any Questions?

Were you running the Rev look and feel: OS X appearance manager for this test? I usually run Rev in Mac OS emulated L&f, because it is faster.


If you were in appearance manager l&f, you were dragging 200 Aqua eye-candy gum drops being rendered by the OS. Appearance Manager has the luxury of handing off rendering to the OS to get it's widgets drawn.

On a G3 or an older G4, without a graphics card supporting Quartz Extreme, that's going to be slow. On a G4 you'll benefit from Altivec. With a newer graphics card, it's faster still because it will use the OpenGL hardware on your card.

The basic rule of thumb is: to make OS X fast, you can't just run some old low-end iMac or powerbook. You need throw $ at the problem and give it > 500MB RAM and a new graphics card that supports Quartz Extreme.

BTW wonder how a G5 would do in your tests? The world's third largest supercomputer is now the G5 cluster (off-the-shelf G5s bought from the Apple store) at the University of Virginia <http://news.com.com/2100-7337-5095026.html>

Alex Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Mindlube Software | <http://mindlube.com>

what a waste of thumbs that are opposable
to make machines that are disposable  -Ani DiFranco

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