> Beside the joke, would hinted handoff really have any role in this issue?
I could imagine a  scenario where a hint was replayed to a replica after all 
replicas had purged their tombstones. That seems like a long shot, it would 
need one node to be down for the write and all up for the delete and for all of 
them to have purged the tombstone. But maybe we should have a max age on hints 
so it cannot happen. 

Created https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-5379

Ensuring no hints are in place during an upgrade would work around. I tend to 
make sure hints and commit log are clear during an upgrade. 

Cheers

-----------------
Aaron Morton
Freelance Cassandra Consultant
New Zealand

@aaronmorton
http://www.thelastpickle.com

On 22/03/2013, at 7:54 AM, Arya Goudarzi <gouda...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Beside the joke, would hinted handoff really have any role in this issue? I 
> have been struggling to reproduce this issue using the snapshot data taken 
> from our cluster and following the same upgrade process from 1.1.6 to 1.1.10. 
> I know snapshots only link to active SSTables. What if these returned rows 
> belong to some inactive SSTables and some bug exposed itself and marked them 
> as active? What are the possibilities that could lead to this? I am eager to 
> find our as this is blocking our upgrade.
> 
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:11 AM, <moshe.kr...@barclays.com> wrote:
> This obscure feature of Cassandra is called “haunted handoff”.
> 
>  
> 
> Happy (early) April Fools J
> 
>  
> 
> From: aaron morton [mailto:aa...@thelastpickle.com] 
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 7:45 PM
> To: user@cassandra.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Lots of Deleted Rows Came back after upgrade 1.1.6 to 1.1.10
> 
>  
> 
> As you see, this node thinks lots of ranges are out of sync which shouldn't 
> be the case as successful repairs where done every night prior to the 
> upgrade. 
> 
> Could this be explained by writes occurring during the upgrade process ? 
> 
>  
> 
> I found this bug which touches timestamp and tomstones which was fixed in 
> 1.1.10 but am not 100% sure if it could be related to this issue: 
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-5153
> 
> Me neither, but the issue was fixed in 1.1.0
> 
>  
> 
>  It appears that the repair task that I executed after upgrade, brought back 
> lots of deleted rows into life.
> 
> Was it entire rows or columns in a row?
> 
> Do you know if row level or column level deletes were used ? 
> 
>  
> 
> Can you look at the data in cassanca-cli and confirm the timestamps on the 
> columns make sense ?  
> 
>  
> 
> Cheers
> 
>  
> 
> -----------------
> 
> Aaron Morton
> 
> Freelance Cassandra Consultant
> 
> New Zealand
> 
>  
> 
> @aaronmorton
> 
> http://www.thelastpickle.com
> 
>  
> 
> On 16/03/2013, at 2:31 PM, Arya Goudarzi <gouda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
>  
> 
> I have upgraded our test cluster from 1.1.6 to 1.1.10. Followed by running 
> repairs. It appears that the repair task that I executed after upgrade, 
> brought back lots of deleted rows into life. Here are some logistics:
> 
>  
> 
> - The upgraded cluster started from 1.1.1 -> 1.1.2 -> 1.1.5 -> 1.1.6 
> 
> - Old cluster: 4 node, C* 1.1.6 with RF3 using NetworkTopology;
> 
> - Upgrade to : 1.1.10 with all other settings the same;
> 
> - Successful repairs were being done on this cluster every night;
> 
> - Our clients use nanosecond precision timestamp for cassandra calls;
> 
> - After upgrade, while running repair I say some log messages like this in 
> one node:
> 
>  
> 
> system.log.5: INFO [AntiEntropyStage:1] 2013-03-15 19:55:54,847 
> AntiEntropyService.java (line 1022) [repair 
> #0990f320-8da9-11e2-0000-e9b2bd8ea1bd] Endpoints /XX.194.60 and /23.20.207.56 
> have 2223 range(s) out of sync for App
> 
> system.log.5: INFO [AntiEntropyStage:1] 2013-03-15 19:55:54,877 
> AntiEntropyService.java (line 1022) [repair 
> #0990f320-8da9-11e2-0000-e9b2bd8ea1bd] Endpoints /XX.250.43 and /23.20.207.56 
> have 161 range(s) out of sync for App
> 
> system.log.5: INFO [AntiEntropyStage:1] 2013-03-15 19:55:55,097 
> AntiEntropyService.java (line 1022) [repair 
> #0990f320-8da9-11e2-0000-e9b2bd8ea1bd] Endpoints /XX.194.60 and /23.20.250.43 
> have 2294 range(s) out of sync for App
> 
> system.log.5: INFO [AntiEntropyStage:1] 2013-03-15 19:55:59,190 
> AntiEntropyService.java (line 789) [repair 
> #0990f320-8da9-11e2-0000-e9b2bd8ea1bd] App is fully synced (13 remaining 
> column family to sync for this session)
> 
>  
> 
> As you see, this node thinks lots of ranges are out of sync which shouldn't 
> be the case as successful repairs where done every night prior to the 
> upgrade. 
> 
>  
> 
> The App CF uses SizeTiered with gc_grace of 10 days. It has caching = 'ALL', 
> and it is fairly small (11Mb on each node).
> 
>  
> 
> I found this bug which touches timestamp and tomstones which was fixed in 
> 1.1.10 but am not 100% sure if it could be related to this issue: 
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-5153
> 
>  
> 
> Any advice on how to dig deeper into this would be appreciated.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -Arya
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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