Yes that'd be great. I'll see if I can get it working in 4.x. It sounds like 
what  was going to start looking into. 

Rob

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> On Jun 21, 2026, at 23:58, Michael Gentry <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I have a CayenneUtils from a 3.1 project I could send you. Not sure if it
> would work with your version of Cayenne, but it includes methods such as:
> 
> - boolean isDirty(DataContext dataContext) // Checks if there are modified
> objects in the DC, ignoring phantoms.
> 
> - Collection<? extends CayenneDataObject> newObjects(DataContext
> dataContext) // Returns all new objects in the DC.
> 
> - Collection<? extends CayenneDataObject> deletedObjects(DataContext
> dataContext) // Returns all deleted objects in the DC.
> 
> - Collection<? extends CayenneDataObject> modifiedObjects(DataContext
> dataContext) // Returns all modified objects in the DC.
> 
> - Collection<? extends CayenneDataObject> uncommittedObjects(DataContext
> dataContext) // Returns all uncommitted objects in the DC.
> 
> - <T> Collection<T> objectsForType(Collection<? extends CayenneDataObject>
> searchObjects, Class<T> type) // Looks for objects of a certain type.
> 
> 
> You could do an objectsForType(newObjects(dc), DataMarkerEntry.class) to
> find your non-persisted DataMarkerEntry entries. And then maybe pair those
> objects with your visibleDataMarkerEntries().
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2026 at 5:39 PM Robert A. Decker <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes I added them to the relationship - I just assume that if I iterate
>> through the data markers on the relationship including the new ones it'll
>> hit the database a bunch, loading in the faults as I look for isVisible=true
>> 
>> I'm porting this from WebObjects and looking at the old code they passed
>> the new data markers in and added them to the return list pulled from the
>> database.
>> 
>> I was wondering if there's a way to get, for example, non-persisted
>> entries of a certain type. I'll look at the api.
>> 
>> If I have to I'll just pull them all out of the database and filter them.
>> There's only a small number of users with hundreds of data markers - most
>> people only have a few.
>> 
>> Rob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jun 21, 2026, at 23:26, Michael Gentry <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Robert,
>>> 
>>> Just curious where your non-persisted DataMarkerEntry objects are lying
>>> around. I'm assuming you haven't added them to your dataMarkerEntries
>>> relationship yet.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> mrg
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2026 at 11:25 AM Robert A. Decker <[email protected]
>>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have a to-many relationship where I really only want to pull out a few
>>>> out of hundreds. In this case, it's those with is_visible set to true. I
>>>> never actually work with them when is_visible is false, but I can't
>> delete
>>>> them either because they audit changes.
>>>> 
>>>> person.dataMarkerEntries - this is modelled in the modeller and pulls
>> all
>>>> data marker entries from the database. I don't want this.
>>>> person.visibleDataMarkerEntries  - this is my method and it has a query
>>>> that only pulls out visible data marker entries from the database:
>>>> 
>>>> ObjectSelect<DataMarkerEntry> query =
>>>> ObjectSelect.query(DataMarkerEntry.class)
>>>> .where(DataMarkerEntry.IS_VISIBLE.isTrue())
>>>> ....
>>>> 
>>>> However, the visibleDataMarkerEntries won't include non-persisted (new)
>>>> data marker entries. But if I call dataMarkerEntries to see the
>>>> non-persisted data marker entries then will it pull all of them out of
>> the
>>>> database too?
>>>> 
>>>> Is there a way for me in visibleDataMarkerEntries to also include
>>>> non-persisted data marker entries off of my personr instance?
>>>> 
>>>> Rob
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 

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