Hi Stefan, That reason makes sense to me. Thanks for point me out.
About my job, the database currently was never used, I disabled it for some reasons, but output to s3 was implemented by async io. I used ForkJoinPool with 50 capacity. I have tried to rebalance after count window to monitor the back pressure on upload operator. The result is always OK status. I think the reason is due to that count window buffered lots of records, so the input rate in upload operator was not too high. But I am not sure that if the setup for my capacity of ForkJoinPool would impact the process asynchronous checkpoints both machine's resources and s3 connection. BTW, s3 serves both operator and checkpointing and I used aws java api to access s3 in upload operator in order to control where the files go. Best Regards, Tony Wei Stefan Richter <s.rich...@data-artisans.com>於 2017年9月28日 週四，下午7:43寫道： > Hi, > > the gap between the sync and the async part does not mean too much. What > happens per task is that all operators go through their sync part, and then > one thread executes all the async parts, one after the other. So if an > async part starts late, this is just because it started only after another > async part finished. > > I have one more question about your job,because it involves communication > with external systems, like S3 and a database. Are you sure that they > cannot sometimes become a bottleneck, block, and bring down your job. in > particular: is the same S3 used to serve the operator and checkpointing and > what is your sustained read/write rate there and the maximum number of > connections? You can try to use the backpressure metric and try to identify > the first operator (counting from the sink) that indicates backpressure. > > Best, > Stefan > > Am 28.09.2017 um 12:59 schrieb Tony Wei <tony19920...@gmail.com>: > > Hi, > > Sorry. This is the correct one. > > Best Regards, > Tony Wei > > 2017-09-28 18:55 GMT+08:00 Tony Wei <tony19920...@gmail.com>: > >> Hi Stefan, >> >> Sorry for providing partial information. The attachment is the full logs >> for checkpoint #1577. >> >> Why I would say it seems that asynchronous part was not executed >> immediately is due to all synchronous parts were all finished at 2017-09-27 >> 13:49. >> Did that mean the checkpoint barrier event had already arrived at the >> operator and started as soon as when the JM triggered the checkpoint? >> >> Best Regards, >> Tony Wei >> >> 2017-09-28 18:22 GMT+08:00 Stefan Richter <s.rich...@data-artisans.com>: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I agree that the memory consumption looks good. If there is only one TM, >>> it will run inside one JVM. As for the 7 minutes, you mean the reported >>> end-to-end time? This time measurement starts when the checkpoint is >>> triggered on the job manager, the first contributor is then the time that >>> it takes for the checkpoint barrier event to travel with the stream to the >>> operators. If there is back pressure and a lot of events are buffered, this >>> can introduce delay to this first part, because barriers must not overtake >>> data for correctness. After the barrier arrives at the operator, next comes >>> the synchronous part of the checkpoint, which is typically short running >>> and takes a snapshot of the state (think of creating an immutable version, >>> e.g. through copy on write). In the asynchronous part, this snapshot is >>> persisted to DFS. After that the timing stops and is reported together with >>> the acknowledgement to the job manager. >>> >>> So, I would assume if reporting took 7 minutes end-to-end, and the async >>> part took 4 minutes, it is likely that it took around 3 minutes for the >>> barrier event to travel with the stream. About the debugging, I think it is >>> hard to figure out what is going on with the DFS if you don’t have metrics >>> on that. Maybe you could attach a sampler to the TM’s jvm and monitor where >>> time is spend for the snapshotting? >>> >>> I am also looping in Stephan, he might have more suggestions. >>> >>> Best, >>> Stefan >>> >>> Am 28.09.2017 um 11:25 schrieb Tony Wei <tony19920...@gmail.com>: >>> >>> Hi Stefan, >>> >>> These are some telemetry information, but I don't have history >>> information about gc. >>> >>> <???? 2017-09-2 8 下午4.51.26.png> >>> <???? 2017-09-2 8 下午4.51.11.png> >>> >>> 1) Yes, my state is not large. >>> 2) My DFS is S3, but my cluster is out of AWS. It might be a problem. >>> Since this is a POC, we might move to AWS in the future or use HDFS in the >>> same cluster. However, how can I recognize the problem is this. >>> 3) It seems memory usage is bounded. I'm not sure if the status showed >>> above is fine. >>> >>> There is only one TM in my cluster for now, so all tasks are running on >>> that machine. I think that means they are in the same JVM, right? >>> Besides taking so long on asynchronous part, there is another question >>> is that the late message showed that this task was delay for almost 7 >>> minutes, but the log showed it only took 4 minutes. >>> It seems that it was somehow waiting for being executed. Are there some >>> points to find out what happened? >>> >>> For the log information, what I means is it is hard to recognize which >>> checkpoint id that asynchronous parts belong to if the checkpoint takes >>> more time and there are more concurrent checkpoints taking place. >>> Also, it seems that asynchronous part might be executed right away if >>> there is no resource from thread pool. It is better to measure the time >>> between creation time and processing time, and log it and checkpoint id >>> with the original log that showed what time the asynchronous part took. >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> Tony Wei >>> >>> 2017-09-28 16:25 GMT+08:00 Stefan Richter <s.rich...@data-artisans.com>: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> when the async part takes that long I would have 3 things to look at: >>>> >>>> 1) Is your state so large? I don’t think this applies in your case, >>>> right? >>>> 2) Is something wrong with writing to DFS (network, disks, etc)? >>>> 3) Are we running low on memory on that task manager? >>>> >>>> Do you have telemetry information about used heap and gc pressure on >>>> the problematic task? However, what speaks against the memory problem >>>> hypothesis is that future checkpoints seem to go through again. What I find >>>> very strange is that within the reported 4 minutes of the async part the >>>> only thing that happens is: open dfs output stream, iterate the in-memory >>>> state and write serialized state data to dfs stream, then close the stream. >>>> No locks or waits in that section, so I would assume that for one of the >>>> three reasons I gave, writing the state is terribly slow. >>>> >>>> Those snapshots should be able to run concurrently, for example so that >>>> users can also take savepoints even when a checkpoint was triggered and is >>>> still running, so there is no way to guarantee that the previous parts have >>>> finished, this is expected behaviour. Which waiting times are you missing >>>> in the log? I think the information about when a checkpoint is triggered, >>>> received by the TM, performing the sync and async part and acknowledgement >>>> time should all be there?. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Stefan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 28.09.2017 um 08:18 schrieb Tony Wei <tony19920...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> Hi Stefan, >>>> >>>> The checkpoint on my job has been subsumed again. There are some >>>> questions that I don't understand. >>>> >>>> Log in JM : >>>> 2017-09-27 13:45:15,686 INFO >>>> org.apache.flink.runtime.checkpoint.CheckpointCoordinator - Completed >>>> checkpoint 1576 (174693180 bytes in 21597 ms). >>>> 2017-09-27 13:49:42,795 INFO >>>> org.apache.flink.runtime.checkpoint.CheckpointCoordinator - Triggering >>>> checkpoint 1577 @ 1506520182795 >>>> 2017-09-27 13:54:42,795 INFO >>>> org.apache.flink.runtime.checkpoint.CheckpointCoordinator - Triggering >>>> checkpoint 1578 @ 1506520482795 >>>> 2017-09-27 13:55:13,105 INFO >>>> org.apache.flink.runtime.checkpoint.CheckpointCoordinator - Completed >>>> checkpoint 1578 (152621410 bytes in 19109 ms). >>>> 2017-09-27 13:56:37,103 WARN >>>> org.apache.flink.runtime.checkpoint.CheckpointCoordinator - Received late >>>> message for now expired checkpoint attempt 1577 from >>>> 2273da50f29b9dee731f7bd749e91c80 of job 7c039572b.... >>>> 2017-09-27 13:59:42,795 INFO >>>> org.apache.flink.runtime.checkpoint.CheckpointCoordinator - Triggering >>>> checkpoint 1579 @ 1506520782795 >>>> >>>> Log in TM: >>>> 2017-09-27 13:56:37,105 INFO >>>> org.apache.flink.runtime.state.DefaultOperatorStateBackend - >>>> DefaultOperatorStateBackend snapshot (File Stream Factory @ >>>> s3://tony-dev/flink-checkpoints/7c039572b13346f1b17dcc0ace2b72c2, >>>> asynchronous part) in thread Thread[pool-7-thread-322,5,Flink Task Threads] >>>> took 240248 ms. >>>> >>>> I think the log in TM might be the late message for #1577 in JM, >>>> because #1576, #1578 had been finished and #1579 hadn't been started at >>>> 13:56:37. >>>> If there is no mistake on my words, I am wondering why the time it took >>>> was 240248 ms (4 min). It seems that it started late than asynchronous >>>> tasks in #1578. >>>> Is there any way to guarantee the previous asynchronous parts of >>>> checkpoints will be executed before the following. >>>> >>>> Moreover, I think it will be better to have more information in INFO >>>> log, such as waiting time and checkpoint id, in order to trace the progress >>>> of checkpoint conveniently. >>>> >>>> What do you think? Do you have any suggestion for me to deal with these >>>> problems? Thank you. >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> Tony Wei >>>> >>>> 2017-09-27 17:11 GMT+08:00 Tony Wei <tony19920...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> Hi Stefan, >>>>> >>>>> Here is the summary for my streaming job's checkpoint after restarting >>>>> at last night. >>>>> >>>>> <???? 2017-09-2 7 下午4.56.30.png> >>>>> >>>>> This is the distribution of alignment buffered from the last 12 hours. >>>>> >>>>> <???? 2017-09-2 7 下午5.05.11.png> >>>>> >>>>> And here is the buffer out pool usage during chk #1140 ~ #1142. For >>>>> chk #1245 and #1246, you can check the picture I sent before. >>>>> >>>>> <???? 2017-09-2 7 下午5.01.24.png> >>>>> >>>>> AFAIK, the back pressure rate usually is in LOW status, sometimes goes >>>>> up to HIGH, and always OK during the night. >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> Tony Wei >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2017-09-27 16:54 GMT+08:00 Stefan Richter <s.rich...@data-artisans.com >>>>> >: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Tony, >>>>>> >>>>>> are your checkpoints typically close to the timeout boundary? From >>>>>> what I see, writing the checkpoint is relatively fast but the time from >>>>>> the >>>>>> checkpoint trigger to execution seems very long. This is typically the >>>>>> case >>>>>> if your job has a lot of backpressure and therefore the checkpoint >>>>>> barriers >>>>>> take a long time to travel to the operators, because a lot of events are >>>>>> piling up in the buffers. Do you also experience large alignments for >>>>>> your >>>>>> checkpoints? >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Stefan >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 27.09.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Tony Wei <tony19920...@gmail.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Stefan, >>>>>> >>>>>> It seems that I found something strange from JM's log. >>>>>> >>>>>> It had happened more than once before, but all subtasks would finish >>>>>> their checkpoint attempts in the end. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2017-09-26 01:23:28,690 INFO >>>>>> org.apache.flink.runtime.checkpoint.CheckpointCoordinator - Triggering >>>>>> checkpoint 1140 @ 1506389008690 >>>>>> 2017-09-26 01:28:28,690 INFO >>>>>> org.apache.flink.runtime.checkpoint.CheckpointCoordinator - Triggering >>>>>> checkpoint 1141 @ 1506389308690 >>>>>> 2017-09-26 01:33:28,690 INFO >>>>>> org.apache.flink.runtime.checkpoint.CheckpointCoordinator - Triggering >>>>>> checkpoint 1142 @ 1506389608690 >>>>>> 2017-09-26 01:33:28,691 INFO >>>>>> org.apache.flink.runtime.checkpoint.CheckpointCoordinator - Checkpoint >>>>>> 1140 >>>>>> expired before completing. >>>>>> 2017-09-26 01:38:28,691 INFO >>>>>> org.apache.flink.runtime.checkpoint.CheckpointCoordinator - Checkpoint >>>>>> 1141 >>>>>> expired before completing. >>>>>> 2017-09-26 01:40:38,044 WARN >>>>>> org.apache.flink.runtime.checkpoint.CheckpointCoordinator - Received late >>>>>> message for now expired checkpoint attempt 1140 from >>>>>> c63825d15de0fef55a1d148adcf4467e of job 7c039572b... >>>>>> 2017-09-26 01:40:53,743 WARN >>>>>> org.apache.flink.runtime.checkpoint.CheckpointCoordinator - Received late >>>>>> message for now expired checkpoint attempt 1141 from >>>>>> c63825d15de0fef55a1d148adcf4467e of job 7c039572b... >>>>>> 2017-09-26 01:41:19,332 INFO >>>>>> org.apache.flink.runtime.checkpoint.CheckpointCoordinator - Completed >>>>>> checkpoint 1142 (136733704 bytes in 457413 ms). >>>>>> >>>>>> For chk #1245 and #1246, there was no late message from TM. You can >>>>>> refer to the TM log. The full completed checkpoint attempt will have 12 >>>>>> (... asynchronous part) logs in general, but #1245 and #1246 only got 10 >>>>>> logs. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2017-09-26 10:08:28,690 INFO >>>>>> org.apache.flink.runtime.checkpoint.CheckpointCoordinator - Triggering >>>>>> checkpoint 1245 @ 1506420508690 >>>>>> 2017-09-26 10:13:28,690 INFO >>>>>> org.apache.flink.runtime.checkpoint.CheckpointCoordinator - Triggering >>>>>> checkpoint 1246 @ 1506420808690 >>>>>> 2017-09-26 10:18:28,691 INFO >>>>>> org.apache.flink.runtime.checkpoint.CheckpointCoordinator - Checkpoint >>>>>> 1245 >>>>>> expired before completing. >>>>>> 2017-09-26 10:23:28,691 INFO >>>>>> org.apache.flink.runtime.checkpoint.CheckpointCoordinator - Checkpoint >>>>>> 1246 >>>>>> expired before completing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Moreover, I listed the directory for checkpoints on S3 and saw there >>>>>> were two states not discarded successfully. In general, there will be 16 >>>>>> parts for a completed checkpoint state. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2017-09-26 18:08:33 36919 >>>>>> tony-dev/flink-checkpoints/7c039572b13346f1b17dcc0ace2b72c2/chk-1245/eedd7ca5-ee34-45a5-bf0b-11cc1fc67ab8 >>>>>> 2017-09-26 18:13:34 37419 >>>>>> tony-dev/flink-checkpoints/7c039572b13346f1b17dcc0ace2b72c2/chk-1246/9aa5c6c4-8c74-465d-8509-5fea4ed25af6 >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope these informations are helpful. Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>> Tony Wei >>>>>> >>>>>> 2017-09-27 16:14 GMT+08:00 Stefan Richter < >>>>>> s.rich...@data-artisans.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> thanks for the information. Unfortunately, I have no immediate idea >>>>>>> what the reason is from the given information. I think most helpful >>>>>>> could >>>>>>> be a thread dump, but also metrics on the operator operator level to >>>>>>> figure >>>>>>> out which part of the pipeline is the culprit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Stefan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 26.09.2017 um 17:55 schrieb Tony Wei <tony19920...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Stefan, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is no unknown exception in my full log. The Flink version is >>>>>>> 1.3.2. >>>>>>> My job is roughly like this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> env.addSource(Kafka) >>>>>>> .map(ParseKeyFromRecord) >>>>>>> .keyBy() >>>>>>> .process(CountAndTimeoutWindow) >>>>>>> .asyncIO(UploadToS3) >>>>>>> .addSink(UpdateDatabase) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It seemed all tasks stopped like the picture I sent in the last >>>>>>> email. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will keep my eye on taking a thread dump from that JVM if this >>>>>>> happens again. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>>> Tony Wei >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2017-09-26 23:46 GMT+08:00 Stefan Richter < >>>>>>> s.rich...@data-artisans.com>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> that is very strange indeed. I had a look at the logs and there is >>>>>>>> no error or exception reported. I assume there is also no exception in >>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>> full logs? Which version of flink are you using and what operators were >>>>>>>> running in the task that stopped? If this happens again, would it be >>>>>>>> possible to take a thread dump from that JVM? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Stefan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > Am 26.09.2017 um 17:08 schrieb Tony Wei <tony19920...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Hi, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Something weird happened on my streaming job. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > I found my streaming job seems to be blocked for a long time and >>>>>>>> I saw the situation like the picture below. (chk #1245 and #1246 were >>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>> finishing 7/8 tasks then marked timeout by JM. Other checkpoints failed >>>>>>>> with the same state like #1247 util I restarted TM.) >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > <snapshot.png> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > I'm not sure what happened, but the consumer stopped fetching >>>>>>>> records, buffer usage is 100% and the following task did not seem to >>>>>>>> fetch >>>>>>>> data anymore. Just like the whole TM was stopped. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > However, after I restarted TM and force the job restarting from >>>>>>>> the latest completed checkpoint, everything worked again. And I don't >>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>> how to reproduce it. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > The attachment is my TM log. Because there are many user logs and >>>>>>>> sensitive information, I only remain the log from >>>>>>>> `org.apache.flink...`. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > My cluster setting is one JM and one TM with 4 available slots. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Streaming job uses all slots, checkpoint interval is 5 mins and >>>>>>>> max concurrent number is 3. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Please let me know if it needs more information to find out what >>>>>>>> happened on my streaming job. Thanks for your help. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Best Regards, >>>>>>>> > Tony Wei >>>>>>>> > <flink-root-taskmanager-0-partial.log> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > <chk_ 1577.log> > > >
