Jark,

Thanks for the heads up! I didn’t see this behavior when running in batch mode 
with parallelism turned on. Is it safe to do this kind of join in batch mode 
right now, or am I just getting lucky?

Dylan

From: Jark Wu <imj...@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, April 16, 2021 at 5:10 AM
To: Dylan Forciea <dy...@oseberg.io>
Cc: Timo Walther <twal...@apache.org>, Piotr Nowojski <pnowoj...@apache.org>, 
"user@flink.apache.org" <user@flink.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Nondeterministic results with SQL job when parallelism is > 1

HI Dylan,

I think this has the same reason as 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-20374.
The root cause is that changelogs are shuffled by `attr` at second join,
and thus records with the same `id` will be shuffled to different join tasks 
(also different sink tasks).
So the data arrived at sinks are not ordered on the sink primary key.

We may need something like primary key ordering mechanism in the whole planner 
to fix this.

Best,
Jark

On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 01:33, Dylan Forciea 
<dy...@oseberg.io<mailto:dy...@oseberg.io>> wrote:
On a side note - I changed to use the batch mode per your suggestion Timo, and 
my job ran much faster and with deterministic counts with parallelism turned 
on. So I'll probably utilize that for now. However, it would still be nice to 
dig down into why streaming isn't working in case I need that in the future.

Dylan

On 4/14/21, 10:27 AM, "Dylan Forciea" 
<dy...@oseberg.io<mailto:dy...@oseberg.io>> wrote:

    Timo,

    Here is the plan (hopefully I properly cleansed it of company proprietary 
info without garbling it)

    Dylan

    == Abstract Syntax Tree ==
    LogicalSink(table=[default_catalog.default_database.sink], fields=[id, 
attr, attr_mapped])
    +- LogicalProject(id=[CASE(IS NOT NULL($0), $0, $2)], attr=[CASE(IS NOT 
NULL($3), $3, $1)], attr_mapped=[CASE(IS NOT NULL($6), $6, IS NOT NULL($3), $3, 
$1)])
       +- LogicalJoin(condition=[=($4, $5)], joinType=[left])
          :- LogicalProject(id1=[$0], attr=[$1], id2=[$2], attr0=[$3], 
$f4=[CASE(IS NOT NULL($3), $3, $1)])
          :  +- LogicalJoin(condition=[=($0, $2)], joinType=[full])
          :     :- LogicalTableScan(table=[[default_catalog, default_database, 
table1]])
          :     +- LogicalAggregate(group=[{0}], attr=[MAX($1)])
          :        +- LogicalProject(id2=[$1], attr=[$0])
          :           +- LogicalTableScan(table=[[default_catalog, 
default_database, table2]])
          +- LogicalTableScan(table=[[default_catalog, default_database, 
table3]])

    == Optimized Logical Plan ==
    Sink(table=[default_catalog.default_database.sink], fields=[id, attr, 
attr_mapped], changelogMode=[NONE])
    +- Calc(select=[CASE(IS NOT NULL(id1), id1, id2) AS id, CASE(IS NOT 
NULL(attr0), attr0, attr) AS attr, CASE(IS NOT NULL(attr_mapped), attr_mapped, 
IS NOT NULL(attr0), attr0, attr) AS attr_mapped], changelogMode=[I,UB,UA,D])
       +- Join(joinType=[LeftOuterJoin], where=[=($f4, attr)], select=[id1, 
attr, id2, attr0, $f4, attr, attr_mapped], leftInputSpec=[HasUniqueKey], 
rightInputSpec=[JoinKeyContainsUniqueKey], changelogMode=[I,UB,UA,D])
          :- Exchange(distribution=[hash[$f4]], changelogMode=[I,UB,UA,D])
          :  +- Calc(select=[id1, attr, id2, attr0, CASE(IS NOT NULL(attr0), 
attr0, attr) AS $f4], changelogMode=[I,UB,UA,D])
          :     +- Join(joinType=[FullOuterJoin], where=[=(id1, id2)], 
select=[id1, attr, id2, attr0], leftInputSpec=[JoinKeyContainsUniqueKey], 
rightInputSpec=[JoinKeyContainsUniqueKey], changelogMode=[I,UB,UA,D])
          :        :- Exchange(distribution=[hash[id1]], changelogMode=[I])
          :        :  +- TableSourceScan(table=[[default_catalog, 
default_database, table1]], fields=[id1, attr], changelogMode=[I])
          :        +- Exchange(distribution=[hash[id2]], 
changelogMode=[I,UB,UA])
          :           +- GroupAggregate(groupBy=[id2], select=[id2, MAX(attr) 
AS attr], changelogMode=[I,UB,UA])
          :              +- Exchange(distribution=[hash[id2]], 
changelogMode=[I])
          :                 +- TableSourceScan(table=[[default_catalog, 
default_database, table2]], fields=[attr, id2], changelogMode=[I])
          +- Exchange(distribution=[hash[attr]], changelogMode=[I])
             +- TableSourceScan(table=[[default_catalog, default_database, 
table3]], fields=[attr, attr_mapped], changelogMode=[I])

    == Physical Execution Plan ==
    Stage 1 : Data Source
        content : Source: TableSourceScan(table=[[default_catalog, 
default_database, table1]], fields=[id1, attr])

    Stage 3 : Data Source
        content : Source: TableSourceScan(table=[[default_catalog, 
default_database, table2]], fields=[attr, id2])

        Stage 5 : Attr
                content : GroupAggregate(groupBy=[id2], select=[id2, MAX(attr) 
AS attr])
                ship_strategy : HASH

                Stage 7 : Attr
                        content : Join(joinType=[FullOuterJoin], where=[(id1 = 
id2)], select=[id1, attr, id2, attr0], 
leftInputSpec=[JoinKeyContainsUniqueKey], 
rightInputSpec=[JoinKeyContainsUniqueKey])
                        ship_strategy : HASH

                        Stage 8 : Attr
                                content : Calc(select=[id1, attr, id2, attr0, 
(attr0 IS NOT NULL CASE attr0 CASE attr) AS $f4])
                                ship_strategy : FORWARD

    Stage 10 : Data Source
        content : Source: TableSourceScan(table=[[default_catalog, 
default_database, table3]], fields=[attr, attr_mapped])

        Stage 12 : Attr
                content : Join(joinType=[LeftOuterJoin], where=[($f4 = attr)], 
select=[id1, attr, id2, attr0, $f4, attr, attr_mapped], 
leftInputSpec=[HasUniqueKey], rightInputSpec=[JoinKeyContainsUniqueKey])
                ship_strategy : HASH

                Stage 13 : Attr
                        content : Calc(select=[(id1 IS NOT NULL CASE id1 CASE 
id2) AS id, (attr0 IS NOT NULL CASE attr0 CASE attr) AS attr, (attr_mapped IS 
NOT NULL CASE attr_mapped CASE attr0 IS NOT NULL CASE attr0 CASE attr) AS 
attr_mapped])
                        ship_strategy : FORWARD

                        Stage 14 : Data Sink
                                content : Sink: 
Sink(table=[default_catalog.default_database.sink], fields=[id, attr, 
attr_mapped])
                                ship_strategy : FORWARD

    On 4/14/21, 10:08 AM, "Timo Walther" 
<twal...@apache.org<mailto:twal...@apache.org>> wrote:

        Can you share the resulting plan with us? Ideally with the ChangelogMode
        detail enabled as well.

        statementSet.explain(...)

        Maybe this could help.

        Regards,
        Timo



        On 14.04.21 16:47, Dylan Forciea wrote:
        > Piotrek,
        >
        > I am looking at the count of records present in the sink table in
        > Postgres after the entire job completes, not the number of
        > inserts/retracts. I can see as the job runs that records are added and
        > removed from the “sink” table. With parallelism set to 1, it always
        > comes out to the same number (which is consistent with the number of 
ids
        > in the source tables “table1” and “table2”), at about 491k records in
        > table “sink” when the job is complete. With the parallelism set to 16,
        > the “sink” table will have somewhere around 360k records +/- 20k when
        > the job is complete. I truncate the “sink” table before I run the job,
        > and this is a test environment where the source databases are static.
        >
        > I removed my line for setting to Batch mode per Timo’s suggestion, and
        > am still running with MAX which should have deterministic output.
        >
        > Dylan
        >
        > *From: *Piotr Nowojski 
<pnowoj...@apache.org<mailto:pnowoj...@apache.org>>
        > *Date: *Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:38 AM
        > *To: *Dylan Forciea <dy...@oseberg.io<mailto:dy...@oseberg.io>>
        > *Cc: *"user@flink.apache.org<mailto:user@flink.apache.org>" 
<user@flink.apache.org<mailto:user@flink.apache.org>>
        > *Subject: *Re: Nondeterministic results with SQL job when parallelism 
is > 1
        >
        > Hi Dylan,
        >
        > But if you are running your query in Streaming mode, aren't you 
counting
        > retractions from the FULL JOIN? AFAIK in Streaming mode in FULL JOIN,
        > when the first record comes in it will be immediately emitted with 
NULLs
        > (not matched, as the other table is empty). Later if a matching record
        > is received from the second table, the previous result will be 
retracted
        > and the new one, updated, will be re-emitted. Maybe this is what you 
are
        > observing in the varying output?
        >
        > Maybe you could try to analyse how the results differ between 
different
        > runs?
        >
        > Best,
        >
        > Piotrek
        >
        > śr., 14 kwi 2021 o 16:22 Dylan Forciea 
<dy...@oseberg.io<mailto:dy...@oseberg.io>
        > <mailto:dy...@oseberg.io<mailto:dy...@oseberg.io>>> napisał(a):
        >
        >     I replaced the FIRST_VALUE with MAX to ensure that the results
        >     should be identical even in their content, and my problem still
        >     remains – I end up with a nondeterministic count of records being
        >     emitted into the sink when the parallelism is over 1, and that 
count
        >     is about 20-25% short (and not consistent) of what comes out
        >     consistently when parallelism is set to 1.
        >
        >     Dylan
        >
        >     *From: *Dylan Forciea <dy...@oseberg.io<mailto:dy...@oseberg.io> 
<mailto:dy...@oseberg.io<mailto:dy...@oseberg.io>>>
        >     *Date: *Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:08 AM
        >     *To: *Piotr Nowojski 
<pnowoj...@apache.org<mailto:pnowoj...@apache.org>
        >     <mailto:pnowoj...@apache.org<mailto:pnowoj...@apache.org>>>
        >     *Cc: *"user@flink.apache.org<mailto:user@flink.apache.org> 
<mailto:user@flink.apache.org<mailto:user@flink.apache.org>>"
        >     <user@flink.apache.org<mailto:user@flink.apache.org> 
<mailto:user@flink.apache.org<mailto:user@flink.apache.org>>>
        >     *Subject: *Re: Nondeterministic results with SQL job when
        >     parallelism is > 1
        >
        >     Pitorek,
        >
        >     I was actually originally using a group function that WAS
        >     deterministic (but was a custom UDF I made), but chose something
        >     here built in. By non-deterministic, I mean that the number of
        >     records coming out is not consistent. Since the FIRST_VALUE here 
is
        >     on an attribute that is not part of the key, that shouldn’t affect
        >     the number of records coming out I wouldn’t think.
        >
        >     Dylan
        >
        >     *From: *Piotr Nowojski 
<pnowoj...@apache.org<mailto:pnowoj...@apache.org>
        >     <mailto:pnowoj...@apache.org<mailto:pnowoj...@apache.org>>>
        >     *Date: *Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:06 AM
        >     *To: *Dylan Forciea <dy...@oseberg.io<mailto:dy...@oseberg.io> 
<mailto:dy...@oseberg.io<mailto:dy...@oseberg.io>>>
        >     *Cc: *"user@flink.apache.org<mailto:user@flink.apache.org> 
<mailto:user@flink.apache.org<mailto:user@flink.apache.org>>"
        >     <user@flink.apache.org<mailto:user@flink.apache.org> 
<mailto:user@flink.apache.org<mailto:user@flink.apache.org>>>
        >     *Subject: *Re: Nondeterministic results with SQL job when
        >     parallelism is > 1
        >
        >     Hi,
        >
        >     Yes, it looks like your query is non deterministic because of
        >     `FIRST_VALUE` used inside `GROUP BY`. If you have many different
        >     parallel sources, each time you run your query your first value
        >     might be different. If that's the case, you could try to confirm 
it
        >     with even smaller query:
        >
        >             SELECT
        >                id2,
        >                FIRST_VALUE(attr) AS attr
        >              FROM table2
        >              GROUP BY id2
        >
        >     Best,
        >
        >     Piotrek
        >
        >     śr., 14 kwi 2021 o 14:45 Dylan Forciea 
<dy...@oseberg.io<mailto:dy...@oseberg.io>
        >     <mailto:dy...@oseberg.io<mailto:dy...@oseberg.io>>> napisał(a):
        >
        >         I am running Flink 1.12.2, and I was trying to up the
        >         parallelism of my Flink SQL job to see what happened. However,
        >         once I did that, my results became nondeterministic. This
        >         happens whether I set the
        >         table.exec.resource.default-parallelism config option or I set
        >         the default local parallelism to something higher than 1. I
        >         would end up with less records in the end, and each time I ran
        >         the output record count would come out differently.
        >
        >         I managed to distill an example, as pasted below (with 
attribute
        >         names changed to protect company proprietary info), that 
causes
        >         the issue. I feel like I managed to get it to happen with a 
LEFT
        >         JOIN rather than a FULL JOIN, but the distilled version wasn’t
        >         giving me wrong results with that. Maybe it has to do with
        >         joining to a table that was formed using a GROUP BY? Can
        >         somebody tell if I’m doing something that is known not to 
work,
        >         or if I have run across a bug?
        >
        >         Regards,
        >
        >         Dylan Forciea
        >
        >         objectJob{
        >
        >         defmain(args: Array[String]): Unit= {
        >
        >         StreamExecutionEnvironment.setDefaultLocalParallelism(1)
        >
        >         valsettings=
        >         
EnvironmentSettings.newInstance().useBlinkPlanner().inStreamingMode().build()
        >
        >         valstreamEnv= 
StreamExecutionEnvironment.getExecutionEnvironment
        >
        >         valstreamTableEnv= StreamTableEnvironment.create(streamEnv,
        >         settings)
        >
        >         valconfiguration= 
streamTableEnv.getConfig().getConfiguration()
        >
        >
        >         
configuration.setInteger("table.exec.resource.default-parallelism",
        >         16)
        >
        >              streamEnv.setRuntimeMode(RuntimeExecutionMode.BATCH);
        >
        >              streamTableEnv.executeSql(
        >
        >         """
        >
        >                CREATE TABLE table1 (
        >
        >                  id1 STRING PRIMARY KEY NOT ENFORCED,
        >
        >                  attr STRING
        >
        >                ) WITH (
        >
        >                  'connector' = 'jdbc',
        >
        >                  'url' = 'jdbc:postgresql://…',
        >
        >                  'table-name' = 'table1’,
        >
        >                  'username' = 'username',
        >
        >                  'password' = 'password',
        >
        >                  'scan.fetch-size' = '500',
        >
        >                  'scan.auto-commit' = 'false'
        >
        >                )""")
        >
        >              streamTableEnv.executeSql(
        >
        >         """
        >
        >                CREATE TABLE table2 (
        >
        >                  attr STRING,
        >
        >                  id2 STRING
        >
        >                ) WITH (
        >
        >                  'connector' = 'jdbc',
        >
        >                  'url' = 'jdbc:postgresql://…',
        >
        >                  'table-name' = 'table2',
        >
        >                  'username' = 'username',
        >
        >                  'password' = 'password',
        >
        >                  'scan.fetch-size' = '500',
        >
        >                  'scan.auto-commit' = 'false'
        >
        >                )""")
        >
        >              streamTableEnv.executeSql(
        >
        >         """
        >
        >                CREATE TABLE table3 (
        >
        >                  attr STRING PRIMARY KEY NOT ENFORCED,
        >
        >                  attr_mapped STRING
        >
        >                ) WITH (
        >
        >                  'connector' = 'jdbc',
        >
        >                  'url' = 'jdbc:postgresql://…',
        >
        >                  'table-name' = ‘table3',
        >
        >                  'username' = ‘username',
        >
        >                  'password' = 'password',
        >
        >                  'scan.fetch-size' = '500',
        >
        >                  'scan.auto-commit' = 'false'
        >
        >                )""")
        >
        >              streamTableEnv.executeSql("""
        >
        >                CREATE TABLE sink (
        >
        >                  id STRING PRIMARY KEY NOT ENFORCED,
        >
        >                  attr STRING,
        >
        >                  attr_mapped STRING
        >
        >                ) WITH (
        >
        >                  'connector' = 'jdbc',
        >
        >                  'url' = 'jdbc:postgresql://…,
        >
        >                  'table-name' = 'sink',
        >
        >                  'username' = 'username',
        >
        >                  'password' = 'password',
        >
        >                  'scan.fetch-size' = '500',
        >
        >                  'scan.auto-commit' = 'false'
        >
        >                )""")
        >
        >         valview=
        >
        >                streamTableEnv.sqlQuery("""
        >
        >                SELECT
        >
        >                  COALESCE(t1.id1, t2.id2) AS id,
        >
        >                  COALESCE(t2.attr, t1.attr) AS attr,
        >
        >                  COALESCE(t3.attr_mapped, t2.attr, t1.attr) AS 
attr_mapped
        >
        >                FROM table1 t1
        >
        >                FULL JOIN (
        >
        >                  SELECT
        >
        >                    id2,
        >
        >                    FIRST_VALUE(attr) AS attr
        >
        >                  FROM table2
        >
        >                  GROUP BY id2
        >
        >                ) t2
        >
        >                 ON (t1.id1 = t2.id2)
        >
        >                LEFT JOIN table3 t3
        >
        >                  ON (COALESCE(t2.attr, t1.attr) = t3.attr)""")
        >
        >              streamTableEnv.createTemporaryView("view", view)
        >
        >         valstatementSet= streamTableEnv.createStatementSet()
        >
        >              statementSet.addInsertSql("""
        >
        >                INSERT INTO sink SELECT * FROM view
        >
        >              """)
        >
        >              statementSet.execute().await()
        >
        >            }
        >
        >         }
        >


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